FSC IN TUL TO BE OSM's

[Buck]

Call it arrogance, but AA has a business to run... If both the TA and the term sheet call for OSM's to be moving into the docks and other jobs within the shops, then it's probably not a waste of time to start doing preparations where they can.

It is not that the TWU is going to stop the OSM from being deployed where the company wants, it is the arrogance that they are prepping for the event without preparing for the A&P's from for example the MD80 fleet to the 737 fleet.

 

[olderguyAMT]

Call it arrogance, but AA has a business to run... If both the TA and the term sheet call for OSM's to be moving into the docks and other jobs within the shops, then it's probably not a waste of time to start doing preparations where they can.

If the YES votes win, the co. will implement work rule changes immediately.
They will say, "hey, you voted for it, and you volunteered for it with your yes vote which means that now you have a new contract so stop bitching and fussing about it. We now have a new name for this shop. Sweat Shop.........and the next contract negotiations will begin ASAP, in 2018, and you can submit your suggestions then. We will now offer company discounts on Bowflex machines for hangar 1."

When will the voting result be leaked out?

 

[Hopeful]

If the YES votes win, the co. will implement work rule changes immediately.
They will say, "hey, you voted for it, and you volunteered for it with your yes vote which means that now you have a new contract so stop bitching and fussing about it. We now have a new name for this shop. Sweat Shop.........and the next contract negotiations will begin ASAP, in 2018, and you can submit your suggestions then. We will now offer company discounts on Bowflex machines for hangar 1."

When will the voting result be leaked out?

Probably Tuesday morning 12:02AM.

I believe you are right that should a YES vote occur..the next day the rules take effect. The six year deal commences the DOS......
They would have to wait 3 more weeks to decide whether or not to abbrogate.

I have been encouraging people to read the FULL TEXT...
If this thing goes through, you are going to hear so many "I DIDN'T KNOW THEY COULD THAT" or "THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS TOLD WHEN I VOTED." responses, your heads are going to spin.

 

[Bob Owens]

This proposal is a blank check for the company. If it passes they shouldnt even bother with the contract and just put "They can do that" where our contract used to be.

 

[Bob Owens]

TULE FSC: reassign FSC duties at TUL maint base to OSM Classification apx. 60 employees will be retained and will attrite over a period of time. the remaining 20 employees will be affected

anyone have any idea what this means?

Bob your oppinion plz

Our president is #16 on the Tul fleet list hmm I think this is a legit question

My understanding, and I was not there when the bases discussed this, is that there will be no FSCs in the hangars, the OSMs will have that work added to their duties, much like how recieve and dispatch, which was M&R, was added to the FSC book 30 years ago. As a result many line stations lost AMTs.


There would still be FSCs at the gate.

I dont see how FSCs could transfer into Title 1 when there are reductions in Title 1 so I dont see how Sam Cirri would benefit from this as some have implied.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I decided to visit this post again and relay updated information from an actual TULE FSC. First a comment on a post, then the update.

Comment

I would guess that this means that AA plans on TUL to be served by Eagle only. I remember Cradall saying years ago that someday Tulsa would be an Eagle operation.

I very seriously doubt TUL will ever be Eagle only as long as TULE exist. TUL is a convenient way to "trade planes" (MD 80's 737's and 757's all fly routes to TUL) to TULE for light and heavy C's. AMR can carry passengers AND trade aircraft out. Two birds, one stone.

Update

As far as the future of FSC's at TUL and TULE. The word is AMR is going to outsource FSC's at TUL and fuelers at TULE (TULE fuelers do the work at TULE and TUL). AMR will offer the top 60 clerks positions at TULE using the one station rule seniority list. The FSC's are supposedly going to be phased out using attrition. Most people believe they will keep the TULE clerks until the next contract then eliminate the FSC position at TULE. However, given the advanced years of the top 60 I doubt there will be many left by the next contract anyway (AMR says six but it will be 10 I am sure). I could see AMR doing a forced early out package at TULE just to "clean the place up".

I believe a lot of this has to do with the fact that we have a FSC local president. Under the table deal? Question is, what did Sam do to get this deal?

Off Topic

AMR offered any building cleaner that wanted an upgrade to aircraft cleaner the option. AMR has hired several aircraft cleaners off the street. I believe this is a tactic the company is using so they can claim they laid off x amount of title one. I believe the reality of it is those new people are to act as a buffer and we will see very little change in the AMT personnel we have now. They may be OSM but they will not be laid off. Anyone think this is a possibility?

 

[Buck]

I believe the building cleaners at TULE will be eliminated and become Title II maintenance personnel ?

 

[BigMac]

I believe the building cleaners at TULE will be eliminated and become Title II maintenance personnel ?

Yes building cleaners will be integrated to plant and facility maintenance (if they have experience and pass the drug test). They were given the chance to upgrade to title 1 A/C cleaning but the majority failed the drug testing. So the compAAny and the TWU hired A/C cleaners from the street and sent them directly to the washrack crew). They also hired partwashers off the street. Heard they are training OSMs for future cabin jobs.

 

[BigMac]

(Been hearing this since 03') As far as fsc's, fuelers and building cleaners.. the compAAny is wanting to source these positions out. At least that is what the compAAny is currently in the process of doing.

 

[Buck]

Yes building cleaners will be integrated to plant and facility maintenance (if they have experience and pass the drug test). They were given the chance to upgrade to title 1 A/C cleaning but the majority failed the drug testing. So the compAAny and the TWU hired A/C cleaners from the street and sent them directly to the washrack crew). They also hired partwashers off the street. Heard they are training OSMs for future cabin jobs.

Training OSM's for Cabin work, would mean that those A&P's that do not have seniority would not be RIF'd because of the Early Out?

 

[BigMac]

Training OSM's for Cabin work, would mean that those A&P's that do not have seniority would not be RIF'd because of the Early Out?

AMTs (mechanics, machinists, welders and platers)/OSMs/Partswashers/AC cleaners is the order for title 1. In my opinion some TULE mechanics will be downgraded to OSMs for cabin work. As will some OSMs remain OSMs for cabin work. I wouldn't think an OSM could bump a mechanic but the way the BS TA is written ....who the heck knows.

 

[Buck]

AMTs (mechanics, machinists, welders and platers)/OSMs/Partswashers/AC cleaners is the order for title 1. In my opinion some TULE mechanics will be downgraded to OSMs for cabin work. As will some OSMs remain OSMs for cabin work. I wouldn't think an OSM could bump a mechanic but the way the BS TA is written ....who the heck knows.

No, what I meant was that, by seniority there are x number of A&P ( because we are discussing Cabin Work ) that will be RIF'd. However due to the Early Out, either those A&P's will not be downgraded and according to Local 514 "the company could be hiring off the street by December".

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You should consider that without FSC's there to do the cleaning (there will only be 60 left), that the title 1 work load is about to increase. That will save some mechanic jobs I am sure.

Two things I am unsure about.

What impact will the new composite skins have on our workers? I am sure they will do away with the need to buff, probably increase the need to paint, and require retraining for repair work. How difficult would it be to repair a composite skin as opposed to an aluminum one? How do you check a composite skin for cracks (you can't use X rays... or so I'm told)?

It seems with the weight we are saving using composite skins we are adding some of it right back on using paint, not to mention the increased drag acts as a multiplier to that extra weight (I am sure paint will cause more drag than buffing). How much will the increased weight (due to paint) and drag (again due to paint) effect the aircrafts stated fuel consumption?

 

[eolesen]

The drag issues have been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere, and conventional wisdom is that it's not that big of a difference.

Paint does add extra weight, but only about 400 lbs on a 767, which is about the same surface area as the 787.

Boeing claims composites offer a 20% weight savings over aluminum, and ANA's on record as saying that the 787 is meeting the estimates of 20% lower operating costs than a 767.

I suspect an extra 400 lbs of paint would be a rounding error in comparison to the overall weight savings.

 

[Buck]

You should consider that without FSC's there to do the cleaning (there will only be 60 left), that the title 1 work load is about to increase. That will save some mechanic jobs I am sure.

The Title 1 work may increase by 60 positions,
however the vote yes contract requires 334 more OSM's.
If all of the existing OSM's are laid off, then their will actually be 888 new OSM's. Of those that are still here, there will be A&P mechanics who are currently working on the aircraft that could be displaced to OSM if those in the support shops with seniority decide to bump the docks. If the support shops lose one or more license or skill premium, then those who are senior will be given their bump to the hot hangar or stay in their respective shop and about $5.00 less per hour. As for saving 60 jobs, that may be, however depending on the Early Out numbers, no one really knows how many if any will be laid off. Then of course the non A&P AMT's will bump the aircraft docks and a new learning curve will have to be established and possibly a maintenance plan modification.