FSC's Why?

[hoffa28]

As a FSC, I can tell you that no matter what we do they seem to have a out time while we are still loading the plane. We need help from the ppl upstairs. Even though we continue to write them up for years, nothing ever happens.

 

[Barfbag]

Well let me take a stab at this one, by simply saying its a education issue. Maintenance jobs are filled with better educated and therefore more disciplined workers, hence the A&P license and such that permeates this department. Add to this the fact that AA management respects the AMT over the FSC.
The FSC do not need any federal license to throw bags. The FSC does need push-back training to get those aircraft off the gate though, at other carriers this job is relegated to the AMT
I don't know when the TWU allowed this to become a FSC function at AA, but it seems like just another mistake in a string of mistakes that has both our company and our union at the breaking point.

 

[700UW]

Most airlines its Fleet who do pushbacks, no airline has maintenance at every single city they fly into. At US it was maintenance, then maintenance and utlity, now its fleet after the second bankruptcy.

And fleet performed it more than mtc as they are at more stations than maintenance.

I dont think they went to school for pushbacks, they went to fix plane and you dont need an A&P to pushback.

 

[AANOTOK]

Well let me take a stab at this one, by simply saying its a education issue. Maintenance jobs are filled with better educated and therefore more disciplined workers, hence the A&P license and such that permeates this department. Add to this the fact that AA management respects the AMT over the FSC.
The FSC do not need any federal license to throw bags. The FSC does need push-back training to get those aircraft off the gate though, at other carriers this job is relegated to the AMT
I don't know when the TWU allowed this to become a FSC function at AA, but it seems like just another mistake in a string of mistakes that has both our company and our union at the breaking point.

Hmmm...an A&P license holder is a more disciplined worker? And being a clerk, I am less respected? I would love to see those surveys and/or charts that prove this...I'll stand by while you round them up Barf

 

[Buck]

Careful what you ask for.

 

[AANOTOK]

Careful what you ask for.

Fire away, Buck

 

[hoffa28]

Barfbag, the reason why you don't do push backs is because they don't make headsets to go around your inflated head!

 

[xUT]

Well let me take a stab at this one, by simply saying its a education issue. Maintenance jobs are filled with better educated and therefore more disciplined workers, hence the A&P license and such that permeates this department. Add to this the fact that AA management respects the AMT over the FSC.
The FSC do not need any federal license to throw bags. The FSC does need push-back training to get those aircraft off the gate though, at other carriers this job is relegated to the AMT
I don't know when the TWU allowed this to become a FSC function at AA, but it seems like just another mistake in a string of mistakes that has both our company and our union at the breaking point.

Now "THAT's" funny!
B) xUT

 

[Barfbag]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match here but I did retire as a FSC not an AMT. That said I had about three decades on the ramp, in five cities and four airlines, so that qualifies me at nothing by Federal Standards. The US government doesn't license baggage handlers, only AMT. Does AA pay more hourly wages to AMT than FSC, yes, no? I believe yes. Are there any Part time AMT in the system, I believe no, is the answer.

That's respect.

Yes I was a proud FSC once, it's a honorable job but it's not a profession, its unskilled labor.

 

[700UW]

OSMs.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match here but I did retire as a FSC not an AMT. That said I had about three decades on the ramp, in five cities and four airlines, so that qualifies me at nothing by Federal Standards. The US government doesn't license baggage handlers, only AMT. Does AA pay more hourly wages to AMT than FSC, yes, no? I believe yes. Are there any Part time AMT in the system, I believe no, is the answer.

That's respect.

Yes I was a proud FSC once, it's a honorable job but it's not a profession, its unskilled labor.

No pissing match here either brother, but paying more has nothing to do with earning and/or being respected more.
As for the license holder being more disciplined, I will assume you are speaking about yourself and that's fine.
Still waiting on the charts or surveys to back your claims up...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I would like to comment on my first post in this forum. AMR has dramatically cut head count. In Tulsa. For instance, we used to have two crews that would alternate loading / unloading aircraft. Now they do not even have a full crew for ONE aircraft. I have heard stories of two or three aircraft showing up at once and clerks having to stop unloading just to go park an aircraft. This hurts the crew and the customer (who is inconvenienced having to wait for baggage). I can only assume this is in most if not all cities.

All the old timers I work with have had knee, back, hip, elbow, or shoulder surgery from the job. This was with full crews. Now that they do not even have enough for ONE full crew I can only assume that FSC long term health will severely degenerate.

I am not advocating a "slow down" so much as returning to a sane working pace. The simple truth is we should not have to go from two crews to half a crew and be expected to have the same workload. We should not be expected to sacrifice health for the companies benefit when the crew does not even meet AMR's minimum staffing requirements.

We (and by that I mean the city of Tulsa) have had to load aircraft with one baggage handler, one ramper, and one crew chief. That is ridiculous by any standard.

By the way this clerk voted.
I voted NO.

For all the clerks that did not vote..... I hope your happy with what you get.

 

[Duke787]

4000 not voting, that's sad. Those 4000 have no right to complain about anything for the next 6 years.

 

[AANOTOK]

4000 not voting, that's sad. Those 4000 have no right to complain about anything for the next 6 years.

Oh, but they will...and they are probably the domino, card playing, web surfing clerks that the TWU so proudly protects.

 

[737823]

Let me educate you:

First off all the First Amendment only applies to the government restricting your speech, a company can and will restrict what you say and you can be disciplined up to termination. Look at Dennis, he is removed from service?

Second, your CBA has language prohibiting a slowdown as does the company's rules and regulations, many an employee has been disciplined up to termination for such acts.

Third, AA, US, UA and NW have sued unions and won TROs and injunctions for slowdowns.

And it doesnt matter if your not on duty, go ask people what happened with AA and the-mechanic.com for the same type of posts.

Was Dennis on Duty? Was the flight attendant who got terminated for his web postings on duty?
Nope.

And if you are terminated you lose your severence and other things your entitled too per your CBA.

I am just trying to help you, you obvisously dont know the ramifications of what you posted.

According to AA Gailen David was NOT terminated for the videos he was terminated for violating company policy regarding Admirals Club memberships and sharing passenger information.

Josh