Full moon, anyone?

[2clippedwings]

Last flight last night a business man (yes, I was surprised) complained loudly that because we had a 10 minute gate hold for late arriving passengers and bags that he was being held hostage.
I thought he was kidding.
He wasn't. :down:
I mentioned that he'd probably appreciate the same courtesy if he was the one in arriving late.
No, guess not.
I invited him off of the aircraft.
He declined and accepted his "hostage" situation.
I'm amazed at the self-absorbed "it's all about me" behavior.
Thank goodness for the other many incredibly patient passengers.

 

[2clippedwings]

WOW!! Not cool at all. Was this in PHL?

Because if it was, then 10 minutes for anything is a short time there.

Don't blame the moon for his being a twit. Kinda makes you wonder what he would have done if he was on the Jet Blue at JFK for 8 hours doesn't it?

It wasn't PHL, although that would be my first guess too.
I think he got the idea from the JetBlue debacle.
Although he made himself look the fool under the circumstances.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Some people (yes, even seemingly educated business people) can be real morons when it comes to airline travel. Whatever is the headline-du-jour is automatically happening to them. The fact that most airline passengers brains get sucked out of their heads as they enter the terminal does not help one bit.

I had a similar incident many years ago right after the NWA DC-9 (MD-80?) took off from DTW with no flaps deployed, crashed and killed all but one infant on board. I was leaving Nassau and just as we were about to take the runway for takeoff, a passenger jumped out of her seat and ran to the flight attendant in the back yelling: "Are the flaps down?" (As if the flight attendant would know!)

As pilots we do ask for an inordinate amount of trust from our thousands of passengers each day. We are human, and errors do happen. But still things are safer than the drive to/from the airport. Every passenger should ask this question of him/herself: "Do I trust this crew?" If yes, then sit down, shut up and behave like a rational human being. If not, stay away from the airport entirely and out of our hair!

 

[Harry Callahan]

Last flight last night a business man (yes, I was surprised) complained loudly that because we had a 10 minute gate hold for late arriving passengers and bags that he was being held hostage.
I thought he was kidding.
He wasn't. :down:
I mentioned that he'd probably appreciate the same courtesy if he was the one in arriving late.
No, guess not.
I invited him off of the aircraft.
He declined and accepted his "hostage" situation.
I'm amazed at the self-absorbed "it's all about me" behavior.
Thank goodness for the other many incredibly patient passengers.

What a stupid idiot!

 

[SKY HIGH]

I was leaving Nassau and just as we were about to take the runway for takeoff, a passenger jumped out of her seat and ran to the flight attendant in the back yelling: "Are the flaps down?" (As if the flight attendant would know!)

sky high states: sheesh, sorry to inform you, NYC, but many flight attendants know more then just the interior of the aircraft. Flaps, horizontal stabilizer, ailerons, rudder...all BASIC parts most everyone knows.
Wanna see my 1980's collection of Air Transport World magazines in my basement? The industry is a fascination and an obsession to many of...........us.


ONLY stating opinions

 

[TechBoy]

I had a similar incident many years ago right after the NWA DC-9 (MD-80?) took off from DTW with no flaps deployed, crashed and killed all but one infant on board. I was leaving Nassau and just as we were about to take the runway for takeoff, a passenger jumped out of her seat and ran to the flight attendant in the back yelling: "Are the flaps down?" (As if the flight attendant would know!)

I must admit that whenever I'm sitting over the wings, I always look out to see if the flaps are extended before takeoff. Of course, there's nothing I can do about it, but I always look.

You would think with all the computerization on a modern plane, that it would be made impossible to take off without having the flaps deployed. Or is there ever a situation where takeoff can happen without flaps?

 

[nycbusdriver]

sky high states: sheesh, sorry to inform you, NYC, but many flight attendants know more then just the interior of the aircraft. Flaps, horizontal stabilizer, ailerons, rudder...all BASIC parts most everyone knows.
Wanna see my 1980's collection of Air Transport World magazines in my basement? The industry is a fascination and an obsession to many of...........us.
ONLY stating opinions

Well, ok. Maybe one in 100 flight attendants would know the difference. And of that number, 90% have pilot licenses. And I doubt any of them could see the flaps from their little peep-hole window in the back galley of a 737.

I must admit that whenever I'm sitting over the wings, I always look out to see if the flaps are extended before takeoff. Of course, there's nothing I can do about it, but I always look.

You would think with all the computerization on a modern plane, that it would be made impossible to take off without having the flaps deployed. Or is there ever a situation where takeoff can happen without flaps?

The F-100 (I think) could legally takeoff with flaps up. The wing had a huge placard for the passengers that showed "Takeoff Range" to preclude passengers (non F-100 airline pilots sitting in the cabin, in particular) from panicking as they took the runway with no flaps deployed.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Last flight last night a business man (yes, I was surprised) complained loudly that because we had a 10 minute gate hold for late arriving passengers and bags that he was being held hostage.
I thought he was kidding.
He wasn't. :down:

........I sat next to a CP (US1)yesterday. Overhead him berating a Reservations Agent over the phone. Wanting to know when the inbound aircraft would be in, thus knowing when HIS flight would depart. However, I think he vented more then anything, not giving the Agent any talk time to reply to his endless complaining. I finally got up, went over to the GATE AGENT and said, "you havent updated anyone in the boarding area, when's the inbound due in?" "it's on approach" was her reply. I went back to the CP, interrupted his phone conservation and said, "sir, its on approach." He said, "why cant anyone give me a TIME?".....I said, approach generally means: 15 minutes. I sensed he wasnt satisfied with MY answer and I left. Once again, weather affects the operations, flights are late, (mine was a NO SERVE due to turbulence) and tempers were tested. Just another day in the airline industry. =)


only stating opinions.

Well, ok. Maybe one in 100 flight attendants would know the difference.

sky high states: Based on who TRAINED you, it's much, much more. I learned these basic aircraft parts in initial training at another airline.

only stating opinions.

 

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

You would think with all the computerization on a modern plane, that it would be made impossible to take off without having the flaps deployed. Or is there ever a situation where takeoff can happen without flaps?

You'd think so wouldn't you? But that's exactly what those NW guys in DTW on that MD-80 in 1988 thought, too... Although it was a terrible tradgedy, it's also a very good study in human factors and situational awareness.

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR88-05.pdf

 

[Z3girl]

I'm amazed at the self-absorbed "it's all about me" behavior.


Ha I have one to add to this.

Just the other day 3/1 leaving MCO on a 757, I am lead and this gent comes on first and puts both his rollerboard, and his (rather large) rolling computer bag in the bin above 2 D&F. He takes up the whole bin, with his bags,not only that he can't even stuff the pillows around his bags, he has to move them to the only 1/2 bin that is left open!!! As I gaze down the aisle and take all of this in, I am thinking..."what a selfish B#$!*@#. He see's my look :angry: (which, for the record I wasn't aware I was giving) and he says "Hmmmph, well, that is a nice face, you are having a good day". Which of course annoys me even more. So we fill up. A guy comes on with a rollerboard and a hanging bag. I try to help him finagle space so I pull 2F's large rolling computer bag out and say Sir, I (I don't even get the words out) as I am moving the bag back one bin, he starts to freak saying no, no no. So I say well sir you can put this under the seat in front of you and he says all snotty I AM A US1 BLAH BLAH BLAH, put it up there. ( waves me across the aisle over 1A.)

SOOO Funny this gent sitting in 3E comes up to use the bathroom and says (loudly in the aisle) " I was wondering if I could use the restroom or is it Mr. US1's personal lavatory?? (Dontcha love it when they stand up for you???) He said I am a US1 as well, and you handled that A$$ beautifully.

Then when I came out for drink orders he stops me and says .. I just want you to know that I have Important Gov papers in there and it has to be in my sight at all times. ( I wish I would have had the temerity to say "WELL IF IT HAS TO BE IN YOUR SIGHT AT ALL TIMES PUT IT UNDER THE SEAT IN FRONT OF YOU YOU SELFISH, BIN HOGGING BA$!*@%. but it didn't occur to me until later.)

 

[Z3girl]

🙂 Thanks Piney,

I forgot to add that I had 5 US1's in F/C on that flight and that I have a huge appreciation for our US1's. 🙂. It is true too that the way you handle things makes such a difference. I will add that the gent was pretty mellow by the end of the flight and I think he was a bit embarrassed by what he said.

thanks again

 

[phasersonstun2]

The F-100 (I think) could legally takeoff with flaps up. The wing had a huge placard for the passengers that showed "Takeoff Range" to preclude passengers (non F-100 airline pilots sitting in the cabin, in particular) from panicking as they took the runway with no flaps deployed.

There are a few aircraft that can take off quite safely with the flaps up. One of them is the Boeing 767. Yes, the 767 can and does take off with the flaps up. The SLATS are deployed, but the flaps can be up.

It was the lack of SLATS that doomed that MD-80 in DTW.