Just out of curiosity, if a person were to scour the operations of another airline, like, say, AA, would there be a higher or lower frequency of these types of "events"? If you can prove that the events at NWA are at a higher rate than other major airlines, then your thread would be relevant. Until then, there is no way of knowing.
so 289 people angry and vowing to never fly NWA.
question is how can you bring them back when they deserted the company for those particular reasons? the answer is SCRAP METAL AIR cant they most likely lost them for good.
I know you have no way of conducting this analysis, for obvious reasons, but you're response is not relavant to my post. I was not debating the legitemacy of news stories or events that are occurring, I was asking if someone could compare the rate of the occurrences to another major airline so there could be some actual quantitative conclusions made. Since I don't scour the papers or flight logs of other carriers, I have no idea if these anecdotals are part of a trend that can be tied to a change in workforce, or if you guys are just highlighting all of the events that are occurring now out of your hatred for NWA. Again, there's no way to know until a comparitive analysis is performed. If it shows that NWA has twice the rate of these events than any other airline, or even twice the rate of pre-strike NWA, then you're anectdotal tracking will be relevant because it's backed up by statistically significant evidence.
I would like just what I asked for. The total number of events for each airline based on the identical criterion. If you have this information, please share it. If you don't have this, then even the pre-strike vs. post strike event counts for NWA would be a starting point. There really is no "side" to the figures. As long as the complete dataset of events is counted, and those events are based on identical criterion, then there's only one set of results that will be derived. I don't care about you're fear of numbers or how they can be manipulated. A well conducted analysis is difficult to poke holes in, and is the best way to determine performance measures. If you discount that very obvious fact, then I don't know how to have an intelligent conversation with you.Finman,
I could produce mountains of dubious statistics to prove both side of this argument (as you well know).
Which side would you prefer?
I remember when a certain Vice President (Tom Devine) for NWA/ATL was presented with a very convincing display (chart/graph) of overtime distribution at a grievance hearing. He was recorded as saying, "I can make those charts show anything I want."
He lost that case to the tune of a half of a million dollars.
Statistical analysis is easy compared to quality aircraft maintenance.
A discussion on how to validate the very relavance of this thread is off topic? I don't know what could be more on topic. If the analysis shows that the NWA event rate is in line with other airlines and with pre-strike NWA, then this very thread is all an excercise in futility. It would all be a overhyping of "routine" events that could be done in the same vigor and frequency on any of the other airline boards. I'd think you guys would want to expose the event rate differential (if one turns out to exist), since it is acual evidence of a drop in safety performance brought on by the evil scabs/management.
A discussion on how to validate the very relavance of this thread is off topic? I don't know what could be more on topic. If the analysis shows that the NWA event rate is in line with other airlines and with pre-strike NWA, then this very thread is all an excercise in futility. It would all be a overhyping of "routine" events that could be done in the same vigor and frequency on any of the other airline boards. I'd think you guys would want to expose the event rate differential (if one turns out to exist), since it is acual evidence of a drop in safety performance brought on by the evil scabs/management.
I'm not trying to piss on your collective parades at the glee that comes with each "event". I, along with those that don't necessarily yearn for NWA's demise, would be more inclined to believe this "sky is falling" rhetoric if there were actual statistics to back it up. I'm actually quite surprised that AMFA or some other organization hasn't already performed some sort of analysis on this issue. If the results showed a clear differential, this would be fodder for front-page stories for a few days, and would certainly be much more effective than what going on right now.
I guess I should hush up; my advice, if accepted, might come back to bite me in the arse.
The 3 engines fortunately started again and the aircraft made it back to land just as they quit again. Talk about major pucker factor. All seat cushions on the aircraft were soiled, to say the least. Scab maintenance related? Yep.
