George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin

[Knotbuyinit]

According to the FL castle law if you are out in public not doing anything illegal and you feel threatened you are allowed to defend your self up to and including lethal force. You have no duty to retreat.

Prove to me that Martin was not in fear for his life. Prove that Zimmeman was not in fear for his life?

Nope “Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person” to use lethal force to save his life.

“A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Deadly force may only be applied in situations where you feel “imminent death or great bodily harm,” or “the imminent commission of a forcible felony.” The law goes on to state that a person may only use deadly force if he “reasonably believes” that the aforesaid factual conditions exist".

 

[Ms Tree]

Wrong Statute. Look at 776.013.

What evidence are you looking at which proves that Martin initiated the confrontation?

 

[Ifly2]

Just a quick look...



Now we have an angry, scared, violent, racist self styled vigilante on two different psychoactive medications (whT was that you said about impairment???) carrying a gun, patrolling the neighborhood, (was he just out enjoying the evening, or was he "looking for trouble"?) and confronting someone who was doing nothing at that point in time but walking while black.

And his defense attorneys doing their absolute best to try the case, and Martin, in the press.

Unlike you, I am not going to draw conclusions.

I will not hear all of the evidence.

A jury of our fellow citizens will.

We, for society's good, can hope that they are able to discern the truth.

Leaked details also revealed Zimmerman was taking the prescription drugs Adderall, which is prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and narcolepsy, and Temazepam, an insomnia medication, said Crump.

“He was on uppers and downers at the same time,” the attorney said. “These are medications that can cause side effects such as agitation, delusions and mood swings. That’s what he was on prior to the shooting. The question becomes, did those drugs have an effect on George Zimmerman the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin?”

An unnamed woman told an investigator in a police interview that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them. "I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the woman says in an audio recording.

The lead investigator called for Zimmerman's arrest in a report written March 13, a month before the actual arrest. The investigator, Christopher Serino, told prosecutors the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle. He said Zimmerman could have identified himself to Martin, then talked to him, rather than confronting him. There is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity, Serino said.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Wrong Statute. Look at 776.013.

What evidence are you looking at which proves that Martin initiated the confrontation?

Nope. Statute 776.013 is for Home protection and the use of deadly force. That is why it is titled "Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm". That is the Castle (like a man's home is his castle) law. You never have a "duty to retreat" in your home. Never.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Just a quick look...



Now we have an angry, scared, violent, racist self styled vigilante on two different psychoactive medications (whT was that you said about impairment???) carrying a gun, patrolling the neighborhood, (was he just out enjoying the evening, or was he "looking for trouble"?) and confronting someone who was doing nothing at that point in time but walking while black.

And his defense attorneys doing their absolute best to try the case, and Martin, in the press.

Unlike you, I am not going to draw conclusions.

I will not hear all of the evidence.

A jury of our fellow citizens will.

We, for society's good, can hope that they are able to discern the truth.

Leaked details also revealed Zimmerman was taking the prescription drugs Adderall, which is prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and narcolepsy, and Temazepam, an insomnia medication, said Crump.

"He was on uppers and downers at the same time," the attorney said. "These are medications that can cause side effects such as agitation, delusions and mood swings. That's what he was on prior to the shooting. The question becomes, did those drugs have an effect on George Zimmerman the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin?"

An unnamed woman told an investigator in a police interview that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them. "I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the woman says in an audio recording.

The lead investigator called for Zimmerman's arrest in a report written March 13, a month before the actual arrest. The investigator, Christopher Serino, told prosecutors the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle. He said Zimmerman could have identified himself to Martin, then talked to him, rather than confronting him. There is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity, Serino said.

Counter point: http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/05/adderall-and-temazepam-the-drugs-that-bore-no-role-in-trayvon-martins-death/

 

[Ms Tree]

Nope. Statute 776.013 is for Home protection and the use of deadly force. That is why it is titled "Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm". That is the Castle (like a man's home is his castle) law. You never have a "duty to retreat" in your home. Never.

A semicolon does not mean what you think it means. Read the entire statute and that will be clear.

 

[Ms Tree]

Counter point: http://www.bob-owens...-martins-death/

Kind of like your comment about Martin being "stoned" on 1.7 ng or THC?

 

[Knotbuyinit]

A semicolon does not mean what you think it means. Read the entire statute and that will be clear.

Here Tree, read this. Hopefully this will explain the two Florida laws as stated in 776.012 and 776.13.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Kind of like your comment about Martin being "stoned" on 1.7 ng or THC?

Or impaired at .00001 THC.

 

[Ms Tree]

Here Tree, read this. Hopefully this will explain the two Florida laws as stated in 776.012 and 776.13.

The way I am reading that it that the argument is regading the treatmentr of self defense in the home and that section 3 does not pertain to that.

Let there now be no doubt that the current self-defense laws and jury instructions in Florida deprive all defendants of their right to use force in self-defense, if they are attacked in their own home.

I do not think what this link addresses pertains to the Zimmerman case.

 

[Ms Tree]

Or impaired at .00001 THC.

The Colorado law (only one that I am aware of) says someone is not impaired until they hit 5 ng.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Kind of like your comment about Martin being "stoned" on 1.7 ng or THC?

On 28 March 2012 I offered up my opinion as to chain of events that lead to the death of Martin. I still stand by that opinion (Post #34)

 

[Knotbuyinit]

The way I am reading that it that the argument is regading the treatmentr of self defense in the home and that section 3 does not pertain to that.


I do not think what this link addresses pertains to the Zimmerman case.

The issue was the very different applications of section 776.012 and 776.013. "This Second District Court of Appeals itself pointed out that section 776.013 (3) does not apply to one's home, but only to "any other place [i.e., other than a dwelling, residence, or vehicle]..." What is so hard to understand?

 

[Knotbuyinit]

The way I am reading that it that the argument is regading the treatmentr of self defense in the home and that section 3 does not pertain to that.


I do not think what this link addresses pertains to the Zimmerman case.

Section 776.012 applies to the Zimmerman case. Section 776.013 applies only if this event had happened in the Zimmerman or Martin home. That is the same point I made to you over a year ago!

 

[Ms Tree]

On 28 March 2012 I offered up my opinion as to chain of events that lead to the death of Martin. I still stand by that opinion (Post #34)

And it's based on supposition and speculation. Since there are no witnesses and Martin is dead, we only get Martins account.