Getting Ugly In Phl

[crushed]

Anyone know the details?

 

[skd]

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[robbedagain]

what happened?

 

[libertybell]

HP suits tried to work a flight loading bags in PHL.

Thats union work management can't work so enough said


Second they want things like 2 beltloaders on there plane there lucky to find just one that's not broke and if you turn your back its gets stolen

Like we have been saying PHL needs equipment and lots of it

 

[US1YFARE]

HP suits tried to work a flight loading bags in PHL.

Thats union work management can't work so enough said
Second they want things like 2 beltloaders on there plane there lucky to find just one that's not broke and if you turn your back its gets stolen

Like we have been saying PHL needs equipment and lots of it

[post="308414"][/post]​

Yeah, I understand that they need equipment....and US/West better do something to help them out, but the attitude in PHL has to change.......

 

[700UW]

Management violated the CBA, would be no problem if management adhered to the CBAs they agreed too.

 

[rjh]

Management violated the CBA, would be no problem if management adhered to the CBAs they agreed too.

[post="308419"][/post]​

So if it's a really busy day, it would be better to delay flights & make passengers wait for bags rather than allow management to help out?? I can understand if there are constant shortages--management would obviously need to hire more people. But if management is just there to help out on an unusually busy day--or even help out to find out better how the job is done and to get an idea of what can be improved--that would still be unacceptable/?

 

[US1YFARE]

So if it's a really busy day, it would be better to delay flights & make passengers wait for bags rather than allow management to help out??

[post="308434"][/post]​

EXACTLY

 

[Light Years]

So if it's a really busy day, it would be better to delay flights & make passengers wait for bags rather than allow management to help out??

[post="308434"][/post]​

Have enough people to work busy days!

15,000 employees were furloughed from this airline. They should have no problem staffing the operation. How many more meltdowns do they need? Or does safety have to be compromised before they staff correctly?

 

[rjh]

Have enough people to work busy days!

15,000 employees were furloughed from this airline. They should have no problem staffing the operation. How many more meltdowns do they need? Or does safety have to be compromised before they staff correctly?

[post="308437"][/post]​

I'm not talking about the "typical" busy day. If companies don't forecast properly, then yes, that's a problem. It would be irresponsible for any company to be overstaffed just to cover those "atypical" days.

 

[rjh]

GOD in heaven did anyone ever stop to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE they were literally trying to put themsleves in the rampers shoes in order to MAKE THINGS BETTER?

People learn differently. Some can read a book and learn the policy or procedure in no time flat. Others have to physicly DO THE TASK often several times before they comprehend what they are doing. Some can just watch some do a task and pic it up.

Did you ever stop to look past the obvious and think they may have been there to HELP! Like maybe getting more equipment? Maybe more staffing, Which would add precious dues money to MR Roach's Bank account?

towards making your case that the problems in PHL are Management related.

[post="308439"][/post]​

Exactly!!!! Instead of "going at it" with management, why not let them help. Let them experience how difficult the job is with their limited resources. Take them aside and say "look at the lack of equipment--that's a big reason why we had such a meltdown last Christmas. Here's my suggestions for how we can do things better. If you want 2 beltloaders per plane, then we need newer, more reliable equipment".

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Oh, I love this, all the bitching and moaning about the "ivory tower" managers and all the abuse of the rank and file by the "Suits" day after day after day.

So, what happens? They try to help out, and the union goons go ballistic.

Its a Catch-22, you can't please some people!

God forbid that management tries to do something positive!

:down:

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just a little question....

When there's a contract agreed to by both sides, where is the line between "helping out" and violating the contract?

With two major travel periods coming, would it be ok to bring in people from other workgroups or managers from other stations to "help out"?

As rampers quit, retire, etc, would it be ok to bring in an outside contractor to "help out"?

Jim

 

[rjh]

Just a little question....

When there's a contract agreed to by both sides, where is the line between "helping out" and violating the contract?

With two major travel periods coming, would it be ok to bring in people from other workgroups or managers from other stations to "help out"?

As rampers quit, retire, etc, would it be ok to bring in an outside contractor to "help out"?

Jim

[post="308451"][/post]​

I think it would be OK on both counts, as long as employees aren't furloughed. A company should treat its employees with respect, but it also has to operate as efficiently as possible. If there is a shortage during "busier than normal times", and there are employees in other areas that canb e spared for the short term, it would be a waste of money to hire & train extra people for the short term. It would also be irresponsible to just ignore the situation and make the customers suffer.

Using outside contractors for an extended period of time could be an "iffy" situation, but if it's just to replace those that have VOLUNTARILY left the company, how can it hurt the employees that are still there (again, as long as they aren't laid off to make room for the contract workers)

 

[crushed]

I find it hard to believe that the 1st Monday in October is an unusually heavy day.
And the HP suits were trainers....not there to learn anything!