Goodbye JFK 777

[UALDC767]

Shuffling of routes/planes...

Sad to see but EVERY route is under review.

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060728/102896.html

and

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060728/nyf041.html?.v=56

 

[UnitedChicago]

You're right - if this was losing money - then it should go. Can't wait to see WT's "Delta's New World Order" comments...(barf)

 

[FA Mikey]

UAL not walking away empty handed though. Terms of the deal, which is subject to U.S. Department of Transportation and bankruptcy court approval, call for Delta to pay United $13 million at closing and $2 million a year for four years, Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton said.

 

[nyc6035]

UAL not walking away empty handed though. Terms of the deal, which is subject to U.S. Department of Transportation and bankruptcy court approval, call for Delta to pay United $13 million at closing and $2 million a year for four years, Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton said.

Din't American pay TWA something like $350-$400 million for London route authority back in the 90's. (granted that included LAX, ORD, and I believe IAD).

 

[FA Mikey]

Was 425 for all the slots.

 

[jbguppy]

Din't American pay TWA something like $350-$400 million for London route authority back in the 90's. (granted that included LAX, ORD, and I believe IAD).

Yes, and we will still serve LHR out of SFO, LAX, ORD, and IAD. The assets are better used in ASIA, where the money and the expansion will be.

I believe we retain the slot at LHR as well, I wonder how that will play out...

JBG

 

[whlinder]

Wow, UA has completely abandoned the New York market at this point. I wonder if P.S. will continue to be successful without those flights out of JFK.

Or.....

Is this the first step towards merging with CO? That is two fewer markets (and major markets at that) where UA & CO compete....

 

[Art at ISP]

I may be missing something, but when did UA announce the end of JFK-NRT? When does it end? I was only aware that NW stopped.

In the general scheme of things, it may be a smart move for UA. I just hope they keep PS though--it looks like that's all that's left for UA at JFK.

My best to you all....

 

[UALDC767]

I may be missing something, but when did UA announce the end of JFK-NRT? When does it end? I was only aware that NW stopped.

In the general scheme of things, it may be a smart move for UA. I just hope they keep PS though--it looks like that's all that's left for UA at JFK.

My best to you all....

Art,

See the links at the start of the thread. The one announcing UAL's increase of Asia flying, it includes the shift from JFK-NRT to IAD-NRT.

DC

 

[FWAAA]

I may be missing something, but when did UA announce the end of JFK-NRT? When does it end? I was only aware that NW stopped.

In the press release, UA says that IAD-NRT nonstop will replace JFK-NRT:

United's new service between Washington Dulles and Tokyo Narita replaces its Tokyo service from John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK). From Washington Dulles, flyers can connect to 49 destinations via 137 flights on United and United Express.

 

[Art at ISP]

Thanks DC

Like I said I did miss it.

I am not sure, but this does not bode well for PS now does it?

 

[UALDC767]

In the press release, UA says that IAD-NRT nonstop will replace JFK-NRT:

In theory the connections should help, especially the deep south flights that get in around 7am in IAD.

Lets hope the theory works.

DC

Thanks DC

Like I said I did miss it.

I am not sure, but this does not bode well for PS now does it?

I don't think PS is going to be affected much, if at all.

Certainly those on the west coast were not going to fly LAX/SFO-JFK on PS to then on to LHR when the can go nonstop.

In fact westbound you may see some more pax on PS versus hopping an RJ to IAD then NRT (though the October schedule goes to 3x LGA-IAD on mainline, up from 1x currently)

DC

 

[767jetz]

OK, time for some damage control. Seems like there are a few misconceptions that need to be clarified.

First of all, there is a difference between route authority and a slot.

A route authority allows an airline to fly a specific route between 2 markets, such as New York City to London. (notice I did not mentionn specific airports.)

A slot is a specific right to land an airplane at a specific time at a specific airport.

Therefore with a route authority you can serve a market, but only to an airport with no slot controls (ie: Gatwick) or an airport with slot controls for which you own a slot.

What does this all mean for UA? Well once the route authority is sold, UA will no longer serve the NYC to London market. However it can use the LHR slot from any other city for which it has route authority. (Such as ORD or IAD)

While it is sad for JFK employees to see flights shifted elsewhere, it is smart for UA to move assets to where they will create the greatest revenue. Keep in mind that UA is leaving a market it was generally weak in , and expanding it's strengths in the Pacific, while at the same time building up the hubs in ORD, IAD, and SFO.

UA has not had a strong NY presence for some time now. Delta, with it's hub in NY will make better use of the route.

I do not see this move having any effect on PS service what-so-ever. UA has been clear since the start that the PS transcon service is a money maker. The feed to/from LHR was minimal and will be redirected to other hubs. The feed from NRT was nonexistent. (No one goes from NRT to LAX or SFO via JFK.)

 

[whlinder]

I do not see this move having any effect on PS service what-so-ever. UA has been clear since the start that the PS transcon service is a money maker. The feed to/from LHR was minimal and will be redirected to other hubs. The feed from NRT was nonexistent. (No one goes from NRT to LAX or SFO via JFK.)

I don't think it is as simple as 'feed' to/from the LHR flight Jetz. Offering service out of NYC to LHR, NRT and the 5 hubs, UA can compete for local pax loyalty. Your business traveler who LOVES p.s. can put up with having to connect to go somewhere other than a hub since they can also connect to most of Europe & Asia through JFK-LHR/NRT. Now that is gone, so there is less an incentive for loyalty to UA out of NYC, which will hurt p.s. The degree that the local traffic suffers remains to be seen.

 

[FA Mikey]

How many slots does UAL have at LHR? No word on where they plan to move it or lease the slot too?