Government Run is Simple to Understand

[dapoes]

* The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

* Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.

* Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.

* War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.

* Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.

* Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.

* The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

With that awesome track record, what could go wrong when they take over health care? :blink:

 

[delldude]

Most often used word or phrase under Government run:

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[tech2101]

* The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

* Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.

* Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.

* War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.

* Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.

* Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.

* The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

With that awesome track record, what could go wrong when they take over health care? :blink:

How about we do away with all of the above, then let us see how much you whine when you need one of them.

 

[dapoes]

How about we do away with all of the above, then let us see how much you whine when you need one of them.

Sounds good to me, things work best when government gets out of the way. Seems like whatever they touch, will eventually turn to a heaping pile.

 

[delldude]

How about we do away with all of the above, then let us see how much you whine when you need one of them.

Answer for you Tech..........

 

[777 fixer]

Sounds good to me, things work best when government gets out of the way. Seems like whatever they touch, will eventually turn to a heaping pile.

I bet when you get your first Social Security check you're going to cash it.

 

[eolesen]

With that awesome track record, what could go wrong when they take over health care? :blink:

You forgot one that's airline related.... In 1934, FDR cancelled all air mail contracts, and ordered the Army Air Corps to take over flying mail. After crashing over 60 aircraft and killing a dozen pilots within a month, the admitted defeat, and less than three months later, the airlines were back to flying the mail.

 

[dapoes]

I bet when you get your first Social Security check you're going to cash it.

Typical liberal response to avoid the truth of the matter.

What is your argument?

The fact of the matter is that after years of government mismanagement and abuse, SS funds are going to reach a crisis (insolvency) in our lifetime (2037) and Medicare by the year 2017.

Was it ever intended to go bankrupt? No of course not, but is a shining example of how irregardless the well intentions of the policymakers at the time, it turned into a complete disaster.

And we should trust them in taking over the health care insurance system?

Back to your overtly misguided yet typical liberal illogical response:
Would I cash the check from SS? Yes without hesitation. Does that make me hypocritical? No.
Or should it be up to the populous to revolt against said mandatory government programs by not cashing checks after years of making mandatory payments to the government? :blink:

Do people not cash tax refund checks in revolt to the IRS?

 

[777 fixer]

Typical liberal response to avoid the truth of the matter.

What is your argument?

The fact of the matter is that after years of government mismanagement and abuse, SS funds are going to reach a crisis (insolvency) in our lifetime (2037) and Medicare by the year 2017.

Was it ever intended to go bankrupt? No of course not, but is a shining example of how irregardless the well intentions of the policymakers at the time, it turned into a complete disaster.

And we should trust them in taking over the health care insurance system?

Back to your overtly misguided yet typical liberal illogical response:
Would I cash the check from SS? Yes without hesitation. Does that make me hypocritical? No.
Or should it be up to the populous to revolt against said mandatory government programs by not cashing checks after years of making mandatory payments to the government? :blink:

Do people not cash tax refund checks in revolt to the IRS?

Typical reactionary response, when someone says something you don't like you resort to name calling. Just like it's a typical reactionary response to jump on a story without bothering to see if it’s actually true. Which you have done on numerous occasions.

I love how you try and portray yourself as a conservative. But the truth is you are not. A true conservative would be screaming from the roof tops if the executive branch expanded the powers of the federal government and had a hand in creating yet another government program. Yet when that happened recently you said nothing.

 

[dapoes]

Typical reactionary response, when someone says something you don't like you resort to name calling. Just like it's a typical reactionary response to jump on a story without bothering to see if it’s actually true. Which you have done on numerous occasions.

I love how you try and portray yourself as a conservative. But the truth is you are not. A true conservative would be screaming from the roof tops if the executive branch expanded the powers of the federal government and had a hand in creating yet another government program. Yet when that happened recently you said nothing.

I know, my bad, so many outrages, so little time. I try to do better, just for you. :unsure:

 

[southwind]

I bet when you get your first Social Security check you're going to cash it.

Your damn skippy I'll cash it, since it's money Big Brother stole for me in the first place !

 

[delldude]

I bet when you get your first Social Security check you're going to cash it.

You can't cash them anymore...direct deposit mandatory.

 

[777 fixer]

You can't cash them anymore...direct deposit mandatory.

SS is a way off for me so I guess I wouldn’t know. 🙁

My retirement plans center on worst case scenarios. Being in the airline industry it seems like the prudent thing to do. You know that better than me that's for sure. I'm going to assume that by the time I hit retirement age SS will not be fixed. That means either they will raise the age to collect benefits or reduce them. Or in a truly worst case scenario it will disappear altogether.

On top of this I operate under the assumption that my company may wind up in BK court one day. That means the plan ending up being run by the PBGC and a reduced pension payout. That’s why I try to live frugally as possible and squirrel away as much money as I can.

 

[dapoes]

ObamaCare: You Can Have Anything You Want, As Long As It's What The Government Says You Can Have

The plan before the Senate creates a set of 50 state-based insurance "exchanges" that are established as markets for health plans. Consumers must buy policies from their employers or through the exchanges--but, either way, their choice of coverage is limited to one of four basic insurance plans that the government sanctions.

Private insurers will still compete to offer policies but must model their coverage on one of these four templates. In short, the Senate bill explicitly standardizes health benefits and then establishes elaborate mechanisms (including subsidies and penalties) to pay for them.

Here's the rub: While these four plans vary from low- to high-cost options, the benefits offered under them are pretty much the same. The difference between the cheaper and pricier plans is mostly the amount of cost sharing (e.g., you pay less for insurance if your co-pays are higher).

In effect, the plan creates a single national health-insurance policy. Consumers' only real option is to trade higher co-pays for lower premiums. But we'll all get the same package of benefits established by a series of new agencies and an "insurance czar" seated in Washington.
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Once the exchanges are in place, the individual market--the ability to go directly to an insurer and buy a health-care policy--will disappear. You'll have only two places to buy insurance, in the exchanges or through your workplace.

The funny thing is, employer based health care insurance was the result of government interference in the market place during the 30's. Roosevelt and his merry gang of regulators instituted wage controls and the only way companies could reward or compete for workers was through fringe benefit packages and things like health insurance.

Now the circle has come round and we see there's no government screw up that can't be fixed by more government interference. After current health insurance policies are grandfathered out, we will all be subject to the same type of policies, no more, no less. :down:

 

[dapoes]

Example of Unbelievably Inefficient Mail Service

A Minnesota truck driver is miffed at the Post Office for sending him 300 miles with nothing in his trailer but a post card.

Roy Combs says he arrived in Louisville expecting to haul mail back to Chicago but was told another truck had picked up his load. So he was instead given a work order card and told to deliver that to the Windy City.

Because Combs’ trucking company signed a contract with the Postal Service, he couldn’t pick up another load despite the empty space. Combs says: “It’s just a waste of time, a waste of money, a waste of fuel.â€￾

The Louisville Post Office branch says the mistake was an isolated incident and has nothing to do with the cuts in hours or cost-saving measures the Postal Service has been forced to make.

And Dems want government to run health care?