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AMR,parent of American Airlines,is forecasted to report a loss of $3.09 a share,well above its 59 cent a share loss in the year ago period.Revenue is expected to grow 4 percent to $4.56 billion.PRESSURE IS MOUNTING on the No.1 U.S.Airline to REDUCE ITS COST AGAIN after extracting 1.8 billion from its workers in 2003.In the quarter,AMR renegoiated its $834 million credit line,providing some breathing room.
 
This isn't usairways, we are not so willing to be bent over and pummeled. I can say from what I hear on the line. FA's will say NO way. They are still P.O. about the last time.
 
FA Mikey said:
This isn't usairways, we are not so willing to be bent over and pummeled. I can say from what I hear on the line. FA's will say NO way. They are still P.O. about the last time.
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The mechanics in Tulsa will PROBABLY roll over again as they have a long history of being afraid to vote against concessions.

"You are lucky you have a job, brother" The TWU motto
 
goingboeing said:
The mechanics in Tulsa will PROBABLY roll over again as they have a long history of being afraid to vote against concessions.

"You are lucky you have a job, brother" The TWU motto
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PROBABLY?
 
We can ####, moan, cry, whine and stomp our feet! It doesn't matter! We WILL be adversly impacted by this. Vote for it or Vote against it, we still will get it! Get ready cause here it comes!!! :down:
 
goingboeing said:
The mechanics in Tulsa will PROBABLY roll over again as they have a long history of being afraid to vote against concessions.

"You are lucky you have a job, brother" The TWU motto
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Yeah, too bad we don't have Delfemine and Amfa here. I'm sure they'd fight for us just like they're doing at UAL! Those lucky guys won't have to take any concessions because amfa has ALWAYS promised, NO CONSESSIONS!!!
 
AAmech said:
We WILL be adversly impacted by this.  Vote for it or Vote against it, we still will get it! 
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WE???? Tell us how International officers will be adversely affected. They gave themselves pay raises last time.
 
I'm curious, what do you guys think will happen if you "take a stand" and vote down concessions?
 
Oneflyer said:
I'm curious, what do you guys think will happen if you "take a stand" and vote down concessions?
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The TWU will make us vote again or put the agreement in place without membership ratification.
 
Ok, but what would happen if the ultimate decision was No? What would the outcome be?
 
Buck said:
PROBABLY?

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I saw a yes vote for concessions in the parking lot this week.It was a brand new Ford 4x4 Diesel 4-DR DUALLY P/U with a paper tag in the window.

I hope his/her spouse has a real good job because very soon this AA employee will not be making enough money to make the payments.
 
OneFlyer,

The bottom line is that AA knows the TWU. I was there when Carty presented Koziatek with several thousands of new dues payers.

To think that anyone at the TWU/TWU ATD would take a stand and reject another round of paycuts is ludicrous: just look at each and every airline at which the TWU extorts dues; each of them were the first to fold.

Airline Management gets a known commodity in allowing the TWU on the field; the TWU gets to force dues payment as a condition of employment; the government keeps us all in the RLA and not allowed to strike.

Everybody gets paid except the employee.
 
Boomer said:
OneFlyer,

The bottom line is that AA knows the TWU. I was there when Carty presented Koziatek with several thousands of new dues payers.

To think that anyone at the TWU/TWU ATD would take a stand and reject another round of paycuts is ludicrous: just look at each and every airline at which the TWU extorts dues; each of them were the first to fold.

Airline Management gets a known commodity in allowing the TWU on the field; the TWU gets to force dues payment as a condition of employment; the government keeps us all in the RLA and not allowed to strike.

Everybody gets paid except the employee.
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The TWU/ATD has a long history of concessions.

Several of my coworkers are Ex-Pan Am. As Pan Am was going down the tubes they kept telling their workers to take pay cuts to "save jobs". What they ended up with was less senioity an less years towards a pension at AA. The TWU got an extra couple of years of dues. Mike Bakala and Kerrigan are both Ex-Pan Am and they have made concessions for dues the policy of the TWU/ATD.

At the Pan Am Local 504 union meeting for the third round of concessions a near riot broke out when Bakala, who is a lrage man, reportedly made a move towards a member who was criticizing the lousy job the TWU was doing. I was told that the man knocked Bakala and the whole table and all the other TWU officers right onto their a$$es. Then several others jumped into the melee, stabbing them with the flagpole, with old glory still attached, smashing the water jug and assorted kicks and punches until some of the other members finally brole it up. They felt that they didnt want it to go too far and end up in fatalities. That was the end of the meeting. The Local 504 union hall also burnt down, never did hear what the cause was.


The Leaders of Local 504 were however rewarded for suckering all the Pan Am guys into keeping the dues flowing for as long as possible, they remain in office to this day and are assured permanent status by the very structure that the TWU International put in place at that local.

Even though 504 is part of the ATD they have few, if any airline workers, in fact many dont even work near an airport or have anything to do with the airline industry. Its membership is spread from New York to Hawaii. By being so spread out, and in different industries the structure makes it nearly impossible to put together an opposition slate. Members have no way of even knowing where other members are located, never mind campaigning.

The strategy of having a membership that is very diverse as well as geographically dispersed is a proven method of consolidating power and thwarting democracy. Local 504 is basically a minaiture version of the TWU International and several other industrial unions.


Round two of TWU pre-BK concessions ? BANK ON IT!!!!!
 
TWU is nothing more than a corporation who will do anything to protect its interests,even at the expense of the membership.They are interested in MONEY[DUES] over anything else and will do whatever it takes to maintain the dues.
They will not care if AMT's make $12.00 hr so long as they maintain the members and their monthly dues.
To the Union bosses ANY DUES is better than NO DUES.
 
It kind of sounds like you guys would be better off without a union. The threat of unionization is almost as powerful as the union itself. AA would have to pay you competetive wages, you'd probably make the industry average, but you also wouldn't have to pay dues. If AA really got unreasonable, you could just threaten to unionize or even unionize and they would probably back down. Sure you're work rules would be more tougher, but even those would probably migrate to somesort of industry standard. If you can't strike and the union leadership is more concerned about itself than the members, what good is it?
 

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