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Thomas Paine
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I would put more of the blame on the Insurance companies as far as denying what they will pay for. MCI and all those who speak of "death panels" are quite content with anonymous unaccountable business school graduates determining who gets care and who doesn't.
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Oh really!------ What do you think will happen with Obamacare? -------"anonymous unaccountable business school graduates determining who gets care and who doesn't." But instead of business school graduates, they will be those that worked their way up through "Planned Parenthood"!
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?? So you prefer that businesses decide who lives and who dies instead of the government?
For decades insurance companies have kept tbe profits and passed the costs onto the rest oc us by denying coverage to sick pepple and only insuing the healthy then even when the once healthy get sick denying them coverage or once they lose theur jobs due to illness remving coverage that way. The biggest cause for personal bankruptcies is medical costs. Most who go bankrupt had coverage but it did not cover the cost. When this hsppens the Hospitals lose and we lose and the insurance company slips away.
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Liston T.P. How many times do I have to say that I am all for Health care! Just not this one! It's unworkable! And No! I don't want the either Business, or the Government, deciding "who lives or dies"! That my friend is a medical, and a personal decision! And should not be made by anyone except a patient and his doctor!------- Let me remind you that this Law was passed by the Democratic Party. Not one single Republican in the House, or Senate, voted for it! -------- This train wreck is all yours! -------If the Insurance Companies had any influence on it, it was because nobody took time to read the damn thing!! Not Palosi! Not Reed! or any other Democrat that voted for it! Or even Obama before he signed it into law! Your take on health care is good! Where we differ is how we get from point "A" to point "B"!
What is wrong with everyone being able to afford health insurance?
Do you know we are the last of the industrial nations to have universal healthcare?
32 out of 33 first world nations have it, the one who doesnt have it yet is the United States.
All these countries have it:
*Norway, New Zealand, Japan Germany, Belgium, Great Britain, Kuwait, Sweden, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, Netherlands, Austria, U.A.E., Finland, Slovenia, Denmark, Luxemburg, France, Australia, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, Greece, Spain, South Korea, Iceland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland and Israel.
Do you know we are the last of the industrial nations to have universal healthcare?
32 out of 33 first world nations have it, the one who doesnt have it yet is the United States.
All these countries have it:
*Norway, New Zealand, Japan Germany, Belgium, Great Britain, Kuwait, Sweden, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, Netherlands, Austria, U.A.E., Finland, Slovenia, Denmark, Luxemburg, France, Australia, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, Greece, Spain, South Korea, Iceland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland and Israel.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein
In 2016 when President Palin and Rush says that the mandate is so the freeloaders who get their healthcare for free, are forced to pay their fare share. Then it will be OK to have a mandate, because that was the republican talking point for 20 years.
How did the death panel interview go?
In 2016 when President Palin and Rush says that the mandate is so the freeloaders who get their healthcare for free, are forced to pay their fare share. Then it will be OK to have a mandate, because that was the republican talking point for 20 years.
How did the death panel interview go?
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Where did all these "death panel " innuendos come from? ------- The Republicans imply that Obamacare will have them, and the Democrats imply the same if the Republicans were in office?------ All what is really known is that treatment should not be base on economics, regardless of age! But,what is not taken into consideration here is "quality of life". If treatment will merely prolong life, but the quality, and dignity, of life are not there, the decision to end it should be an option. But, that decision should only be made by the patient themselves, or his, or her, close family. ------- At least that is how I feel it should work, but than again, if the Government gets involved in it, all bets off!
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Bigjets, ----- Are you predicting a clean sweep for the Republicans in 2016?
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OK, I say we move, with the intent that this movement towards what is the current version of Obamacare leads towards something more like the original version, rather than follow the Republican strategy of doing nothing but passing laws that are designed to bankrupt entitlement programs such as preventing medicare from using their market position to lower the price of prescriptions, that once Health care becomes too expensive (in their point of view) the Market will self correct it. That Healthcare, like Retirement, leisure time and Financial security should be for them and our labor, our very purpose is to provide these things to them for as little as they can possibly manipulate in return for us.
Like it or not, those are the only options currently put before us. So between the two it appears that you favor the Republican approach, if not then explain what do you propose? BTW, did you actually read any of the article? It claims that what we have now is actually a modified version of the only alternative the Republican have proposed.
Face it. The Republicans are not going to allow anything to pass that the Dems might try to take credit for. They will continue to be the party of no. Unfortunately that is the way things are done in Washington these days. We, the people, don't matter. Health care is not affordable and does not cover what it should, but the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are raking in the dough and throwing money at the same Republicans to keep voting no in health care reform. I personally am sick and tired of them knocking "Obama care" while not offering any kind of alternative other than keeping status quo. The system is broken and they don't want to fix it nor do they want to allow anyone else to fix it. Typical politics. Disgusting.
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While there are countless cases where the insurance companies have condemned people to death and got away with it. How ever in this case it was the Pharm company who said no.
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The original idea of universal health care and the idea from the Heritage Foundation was single payer so given that we did not end up with single payer something sure as hell had to happen.
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Government? Right now the only state that allows that is OR and you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops. The religious right and right in general has no interest in allowing people to have control over their own body.
As for the death panels go check the republican talking points if you want to know where it came from.
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You know people, there is something I just don't understand! ------ Maybe you all can explain it to me! Why----- has Obama, and Congress, exempted themselves from this law? Why has Obama handed out over 2000 free pass to all his cronies, and why does the head of the AFL/CIO call it "disruptive" and has to go to Obama, hat in hand, to ask for special treatment for the Unions? And why has a Union of 40,000 Longshoremen left that organization over this law? And finally, what does this all say about the average American out there that has to, under penalty of law, buy into it?
