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The original idea of universal health care and the idea from the Heritage Foundation was single payer so given that we did not end up with single payer something sure as hell had to happen.
Are you sure about that? I thought their idea was pretty close to what ended up on the table, being forced to buy insurance from private providors. Like I said doing nothing was unacceptable. This plan sucks as well. But due to Republican intransigence where all they want to do is make sre Obama can't get anything done, then complain that nothing got done this is what got put in place. When it fails then we can move towards single payer. Do I like the Plan has become? No. But we have to move off what we have. Now we have the Republicans rejecting the only alternative they offered, when it too fails we can keep moving to socialized plans like most other western countries, our senior citizens and government employees have .
 
That was my understanding. The single payer idea was pretty much nixed by the right, various lobby's, insurance ... etc

I was just reading a little more on the public option (gov funded insurance) and it seems there were a hand full of Dems who also were against it (even though it had overwhelming support among the people). Sen Nelson was the Dem leader of those few against the public option. He received over $600k in campaign donations from insurance companies. I doubt that had anythign to do with his stance against the public option. lol

We have the best law makers money can buy. ~sigh~
 
You know people, there is something I just don't understand! ------ Maybe you all can explain it to me! Why----- has Obama, and Congress, exempted themselves from this law? Why has Obama handed out over 2000 free pass to all his cronies, and why does the head of the AFL/CIO call it "disruptive" and has to go to Obama, hat in hand, to ask for special treatment for the Unions? And why has a Union of 40,000 Longshoremen left that organization over this law? And finally, what does this all say about the average American out there that has to, under penalty of law, buy into it?

You really need to find some better information sources. I suspect the same place that told you about the real estate tax that does not exist also told you that Congress is exempt from the law (they are not).

H.R. 3590: D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.— (i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are— (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

As for the other exemptions, my guess is politcal favors which I believe is BS and should be reversed but that is the way politics works.
 
You know people, there is something I just don't understand! ------ Maybe you all can explain it to me! Why----- has Obama, and Congress, exempted themselves from this law? Why has Obama handed out over 2000 free pass to all his cronies, and why does the head of the AFL/CIO call it "disruptive" and has to go to Obama, hat in hand, to ask for special treatment for the Unions? And why has a Union of 40,000 Longshoremen left that organization over this law? And finally, what does this all say about the average American out there that has to, under penalty of law, buy into it?

Rush and Hannity are not reliable sources of info, they pundits getting paid to form the opinions of the weak minded.
 
You really need to find some better information sources. I suspect the same place that told you about the real estate tax that does not exist also told you that Congress is exempt from the law (they are not).



As for the other exemptions, my guess is politcal favors which I believe is BS and should be reversed but that is the way politics works.
Oh, really? Have you been listening to "Red Line" Obama?
" Starting in 2013, the health care bill does impose a 3.8% Medicare tax on high-income taxpayers who exceed a total household net-investment income -- a total which could conceivably include some of the proceeds from a home sale. However, while this Medicare tax will be applied to households with an adjusted gross income of $200,000 or more for individuals, or $250,000 or more for married couples, it typically won't include capital gains resulting from the sale of a home, providing that home is a primary residence and not a vacation or rental home.
Why? Because the capital gains tax exclusion rule for sales of a primary home -- $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for couples -- will remain. In other words, if the profit realized from the sale of the home falls below those capital gains exclusion totals, then it can't be tacked on to that household's net-investment income tally. Hence, that 3.8% Medicare tax would not apply.
If the gains from the sale of the house do exceed the $250,000 or $500,000 thresholds, they will be added to the household's net-income total, which is subject to that 3.8% Medicare tax." ------- As for Congress: http://www.forbes.com/sites/carrielukas/2013/09/18/as-congress-and-its-staffers-try-to-weasel-out-of-obamacare-americans-smell-a-rat/
 
So MsTree, even though the 3.8% tax may not apply to the average person out there, it does exist.------ And please note that the article on the "Congressional Exemption" was written in Forbes, not Fox!------- And Ms.Tree, please note this article was written by a women!
 
Yes it does exist .. for less than 5% of the population which is not what you seemed to imply when you made the original statement. Forbes .... OH wow (aka BFD).... I guess that shows how accurate they are. Why on earth would I care about the gender of the author? Women can't make mistakes or mislead someone?

By the way, a screen alias does not necessarily dictate gender, ideology, beliefs or anything else. Things are not always what they seem at first glance.
 
You really need to find some better information sources. I suspect the same place that told you about the real estate tax that does not exist also told you that Congress is exempt from the law (they are not).



As for the other exemptions, my guess is politcal favors which I believe is BS and should be reversed but that is the way politics works.




What's your problem Ms.Tree? Bad hair day? ------The facts hurt? Is this the best you can do? These are your original statements! And guess what? The tax does exsist! And Congress has dealt themselfs a pass on Obamacare along with thousands of others!
 
http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/pf/obamacare-insurance.moneymag/index.html?sr=fb092413obamacare8p
 
What's your problem Ms.Tree? Bad hair day? ------The facts hurt? Is this the best you can do? These are your original statements! And guess what? The tax does exsist! And Congress has dealt themselfs a pass on Obamacare along with thousands of others!

We were both wrong. The tax you implied was going to affect everyone only affects about 5% of the people. The tax I said did not exist only applies to 5% of the people and odds are they are rich enough to figure o a way out of it or at least their CPA will.

According to the bill Congress does not get a pass.
 

Well this article is chocked full of rock solid info!

2. I've already got insurance at my job. Why does any of this matter to me?
For the nearly two-thirds of Americans under 65 who get health coverage through a job, you probably have a sweet deal already, and that's unlikely to be soured. Companies pick up about 70% to 80% of the tab on average, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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And chances are your plan's in-network out-of-pocket spending cap is already lower than the new Obamacare maximums: $12,700 for a family, $6,350 for singles. (Employers that use multiple vendors to manage medical, drug, and other types of expenses got a one-year extension on the cap.) And in 2014 your plan can't put limits on annual payouts (the same goes for individual policies). Yes, the federal government gave employers with 50 or more full-time workers another year before they have to offer insurance or pay a fine, but that delay shouldn't affect those who already have a workplace plan.
Still, you may not want to be tethered to a company indefinitely. Maybe you'd like to strike out on your own, switch to part-time contract work, or retire before you quality for Medicare at 65. Because insurers can no longer turn you down based on your health, you're guaranteed to be able to find a comprehensive insurance policy. "A lot of people delay retirement just for health care coverage, so this offers more flexibility," says Lisa Zamosky, health-reform expert at Web MD.
Related: Your company's next health plan
You'll also have more long-term security if you find yourself out of a job. After a layoff, you can usually stay on your company plan for 18 months through COBRA, but without your firm's subsidy, that coverage is pricey: The average group family policy tops $16,000 a year, says the Kaiser Family Foundation. The second-cheapest silver-tier plan for a family headed by 40-year-olds should run about $11,500 on average, Kaiser reports, and a job loss may entitle you to a subsidy. Plus, your coverage won't expire if you fail to land a position with benefits in 18 months.
If you work for a firm with 50 or fewer employees, however, you may see one change. To give workers at small companies more insurance choice (in theory), Obamacare created separate small-business insurance exchanges.
Your employer can send you to your state's exchange with a set amount to spend; you choose a policy and pick up whatever exceeds the budget. So far, only 16 states, including Colorado and New York, have set up small-business exchanges with a choice of plans. In the rest, the employer can offer workers one plan only on an exchange until 2015.

This law is so open ended no one knows what will happen in the coming years!
 
25% to 34% of Americans have NO healthcare insurance.

Thats almost 50 million who have no insurance.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/politics/btn-health-care/index.html
 
Create a private system where those millions can get together and increase their buying power to purchase coverage if they want it!

Everyone will all pay more and receive less under this government takeover..
 
It is a private system. The government is not taking over healthcare insurance, they are regulating it like they have always done.

Do realize the US is the last modern nation to offer universal healthcare?

32 out 33 nations have it and the US is the last one.
 

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