Here today gone tomorrow?

[proAMT]

Thought this would be an interesting poll considering the events that are occuring these days.

I voted toast because I believe you can't treat your employees the way NWA does and expect them to provide the customer with good service. You can't crap all over the companies that work with you, the municipalities and state governments that have helped you in the past and expect to get away with it. The actions of NW will catch up to them.

I believe a company and its employees are a team and right now the NWA team has real problems. The quarterback thinks he is the team.

If NWA was a NCAA team they would not be going to a bowl this year.
If NWA was a NFL team it would be looking forward to a #1 draft pick.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Wow, the Moderator is on top of his game. Outstanding job by the way Moderators if the Airlines could operate as efficiently as you guys there would be hope for them yet.

Much nicer options proAMT. I am really torn between "Definitely yes" and "Merger Material". I am going to go out on a limb here and say definitely yes if there is a merger I am going to say the Northwest name will prevail.

 

[twolf]

In todays markets if a copany can control its cost it can usually survive.Thats why unions have to go.

 

[proAMT]

Can a service related company afford to have a high turnover?

At McDonalds yes-at an airline? A high turnover will reflect on customer satisfaction. I would want content representatives dealing with the flying public everyday rather than the cheapest face I could find. You tend to get what you pay for.
An experience maintenance technician can normally shave hours off a job through experience and by doing a job correctly the first time a substantial savings can be realized down the road. What kind of job is someone going to do that has no pride in himself or his company? Quick and dirty. A worker is an investment.

 

[umech]

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An experience maintenance technician can normally shave hours off a job through experience and by doing a job correctly the first time a substantial savings can be realized down the road. What kind of job is someone going to do that has no pride in himself or his company? Quick and dirty. A worker is an investment.

proamt;
please stop before u brk my pump;
companies take in employees (neccessary evils) because they must to provide a product, employees go to work for the pay check and benefits, your eutopia of loyalty,pride dedication above personal interest was proven to be mistakes at communism ruled states, but we live in a capitalist sociaty (the mother of all) full of ignorant voters that care more about prayer in school,or the sex lives of others thant about their working laws,retirements,unemployement benefits...remember enron,delphi,underfunded pensions,golden parachutes, stupid wars,lies..... etc,etc.

you get my point.

 

[aafsc]

In todays markets if a copany can control its cost it can usually survive.Thats why unions have to go.

Have you ever heard of Southwest Airlines? They are highly profitable and their employees are fully unionized and compensated well above everyone else. And answer this Mr. know it all; if the unions are the problem, they why did Continental under Frank Lorenzo have the absolute worst service and file chapter 11 twice even though there were no unions and their employee's compensation was about 50% less than the employees of the other airlines?

proamt;
please stop before u brk my pump;
companies take in employees (neccessary evils) because they must to provide a product, employees go to work for the pay check and benefits, your eutopia of loyalty,pride dedication above personal interest was proven to be mistakes at communism ruled states, but we live in a capitalist sociaty (the mother of all) full of ignorant voters that care more about prayer in school,or the sex lives of others thant about their working laws,retirements,unemployement benefits...remember enron,delphi,underfunded pensions,golden parachutes, stupid wars,lies..... etc,etc.

you get my point.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[proAMT]

we live in a capitalist sociaty (the mother of all) full of ignorant voters that care more about prayer in school,or the sex lives of others thant about their working laws,retirements,unemployement benefits...remember enron,delphi,underfunded pensions,golden parachutes, stupid wars,lies..... etc,etc.

you get my point.

Unfortunatly agree with most of your conclusion. We'd better smarten up or kiss away a life in which we receive fair wage compensation and benefits. A life in which we are able to provide a decent upbringing for our children. Our collective ignorance of the issues that are important to us is destroying what makes this country great. We need to hold people accountable for selling our way of life away. I would much rather live than exist.

 

[insp89]

In todays markets if a copany can control its cost it can usually survive.Thats why unions have to go.

Please explain Southwest Airlines to me, The most unionized airline in the country, and also the most profitable... :blink:

 

[robbedagain]

Please explain Southwest Airlines to me, The most unionized airline in the country, and also the most profitable... :blink:

simple! they know how to treat their employees!

 

[Hackman]

Imagine that!! SWA has the most unionized workforce, and even the mechanics have AMFA!!! How can this be? :huh:

 

[twolf]

Maybe SWA uses the needed 500 union workers instead of 1000 union workers. It's called cost control and good managment. Maybe SWA uses workers that work instead of those just collecting a check. Maybe SWA uses discipline.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Twolf, this might indeed be the case. The overstaffing here was just crazy. I'll be willing to bet that each and every mechanic there pulls their own weight.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Wrong thread.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

Twolf, this might indeed be the case. The overstaffing here was just crazy. I'll be willing to bet that each and every mechanic there pulls their own weight.

Until that certain airlines fuel hedges run dry and they start to feel the pinch (high fuel costs, and labor costs higher than their competitors) At which point you'll claim that they're lazy, unproductive, worthless union thugs.

Maybe your next scab action will be at WN helping to break their union.

 

[Garfield1966]

Please explain Southwest Airlines to me, The most unionized airline in the country, and also the most profitable... :blink:

I would argue that the employees are "happy" because the company is making money. When AA was rolling in the money, and we were getting nice big profit sharing checks, we were "happy" also. When times get tough and SWA fuel hedges run out and they need to start tightening their belt or maybe 10-20 years (less or more who knows) when someone figures out how to undercut SWA and SWA has to go to their "top of the industry compensated" employees do you think they will open their purse strings with out a whimper or do you think they will sound like you guys? I am guessing on the latter. No one stays on top for ever. SWA people are happy because they are making money. SWA is not going to burry the airline just to keep them happy. If they need to make cuts to stay afloat, they will. They are a business just like AA, NWA, UAL ... They are not a family. They are a corporation.