High risk uninsured....hope you last 6 months

[KCFlyer]

Eight years longer than dead at 70............

Had to use private insurance....He's a Republican.

Oh....so he turned down Medicare. That's pretty admirable. Medicare paid for dads chemo, and was willing to pay for round two, but he was a thrifty democrat and didn't feel that it was worth the money

 

[delldude]

Old fart's out raking leaves again today...alive at 78........He knows what it would be under OBAMACARE too.......

 

[freedom]

Old fart's out raking leaves again today...alive at 78........He knows what it would be under OBAMACARE too.......

while he lives to rake another day , what about the person in your first post WITHOUT government health care ?

 

[delldude]

Oh....so he turned down Medicare. That's pretty admirable. Medicare paid for dads chemo, and was willing to pay for round two, but he was a thrifty democrat and didn't feel that it was worth the money

Well I have an update......he turned in his stuff to the insurance company and they took care of everything.....including billing about 80% to medicare. He thought major medical took care of it all but they billed it and processed it.
Sorry about that.

 

[tech2101]

Well I have an update......he turned in his stuff to the insurance company and they took care of everything.....including billing about 80% to medicare. He thought major medical took care of it all but they billed it and processed it.
Sorry about that.

The famous quote:

"I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

Source

 

[delldude]

The famous quote:



Source

Point you fail miserably to see is he'd be dead or well on his way under the Obamacare mandate.......as will many other seasoned citizens including yourself in due time.
Its all about payout but once again your rose colored glasses filter out the cold hard reality.

How else will one contain spiraling SSI and Medicare costs without denial of service.....

DUH......

 

[tech2101]

Point you fail miserably to see

Your argument is a circular reference.

 

[delldude]

Your argument is a circular reference.

Come off it via a tangent Squire............... even still the hypothesis is the same...... :huh:

Cutie......

 

[tech2101]

Come off it via a tangent Squire............... even still the hypothesis is the same...... :huh:

Cutie......

LOL.

I am going to hunt Bambie in the AM so you cannot make me mad...

 

[delldude]

LOL.

I am going to hunt Bambie in the AM so you cannot make me mad...

Be careful.............I understand these type activities carry a high risk and may be taxed under new HC proposals.

Watch out for Godzilla out there among the wilderness......

Ouch........

 

[KCFlyer]

Well I have an update......he turned in his stuff to the insurance company and they took care of everything.....including billing about 80% to medicare. He thought major medical took care of it all but they billed it and processed it.
Sorry about that.

Thank God for socialized medicine then...I wonder if the major medical would have covered half a million for a 78 year old, no questions asked with a prior history of bypass operations. I guess that's why the "supplemental plans" are fairly affordable for seniors...they know that they can pretty much pas 80% of the costs along to Medicare. So I guess you gotta wonder...if that liberal "safety net" wasn't there, would a private insurer even have issued a policy.

 

[delldude]

The problem evolves into the only game in town and a growing aging populace and limited money for payout......then what?

Single payer isn't the answer.....but that's what they are shooting for.....control.

 

[KCFlyer]

The problem evolves into the only game in town and a growing aging populace and limited money for payout......then what?

In the perfect free market world, we'd all be on our own...and to an insurance company who is willing to offer a policy to pay for health care coverage, anyone over...oh, let's say 70...would become what they call "high risk". And IF a policy is offered, it is at a price that most could not afford. What that means is this - If Medicare wasn't there...wasn't 'the only game in town', could your dad have afforded the insurance for his bypass then and valve replacement last year...and what would he have had to give up in his lifestyle to pay the premium? Now I'm not sure what you think...but if the price of insurance coverage for a "high risk" (read - over 70) person was prohibitively expensive, isn't that sort of the same thing as a "death panel" saying that they won't cover treatments to people over the age of 70?

This great setup we have to day has a "benevolent" insurance company willing to offer a supplemental policy to an elderly person. They can afford to do this because they know that even though the procedure might cost half a million, the government is going to pick up all but $100k of that cost. I only submit that if the insurance company was on the hook for the full amount, the coverage would cost considerably more after the "cost/benefit" studies were in. And the "free market" would arrive at the same conclusion that the "death panels" did...the ROI on covering senior citizens is not worth the cost.

 

[delldude]

Medicare isn't working and that makes one wonder how this new whizz bang game is going to be different.

They want HC change.....maybe standardizing filing would help.
Open up the government control on insurance companies which is one reason 'our system is in such poor condition'.
Tort reform.

They want coverage for the uninsured fix that and leave my insurance alone.
How about government/institution sponsored clinics where doctors can serve off their student loan indenture.

But it isn't going to stop there because the issue is an aging population and a failure of both parties to tackle the SSI funding/robbing issue and now with the situation they've created....medicare won't be able to survive either.....so its quite cost effective to take control and thin the herd out.

 

[southwind]

Quick question you might be able to fill me in on Dell...I bolded a sentence there....I'm assuming that this holds true under our current forms of health care coverage. A health insurance company just turned you down...isn't that kind of like a death panel then? They didn't say wait 6 months and then we'll cover you...they TURNED YOU DOWN. Could you explain how this is better than even an unacceptable 6 month wait? Does Mr. Finan feel that this is better than a 6 month wait? Or should you start a bake sale (as a person down the street from me did about a month ago) to cover your treatment costs?

I love arguments on other boards about this topic...especially when I mentioned the neighbor who really did have a bake sale to try to raise money for his cancer treatments. The immediate reply from the right is "he shouldn't have let his insurance lapse" or "he should sell the Lexus (he owned a Camry...an older one at that) and the big screen TV (didn't have one of those)...he shouldn't have bought more house than he could afford (best as I can tell, he didn't). The list goes on.

The conservative approach is all well and good....when you are young and healthy. But imagine if you will that YOU were in the situation described in the first line of the quoted story....let's hear your solution.

OK....... so make a government health care plan anyone , apparentely even illeagal aliens, can buy without being turned down with these options }

1. Companys are not penalized for not providing healthcare
2. Individuals are not penalized for not purchasing healthcare
3. Said Government healthcare plan is financed solely by policy holders , NOT TAXPAYERS !
4. Allow Insurance companys to compete across state lines, just like the Feds want to do !


Liberals only love Capitalism when they're in charge of it ! :down: