how much does this screw-up cost?

[BoeingBoy]

Ironic that you infer a meaning to EMBFA's comments but insist that traderjake's question be taken literally and requires a specific number without context.

Sorta like saying PDT F/A's popped zero slides last year. Makes for an impressive sounding, but meaningless, statement.

Just so it's absolutely clear, was the "48" all attribitable to the F/A's or was that the total number regardless of who messed up?

Jim

 

[exusflyer]

There is an old saying, You get what you pay for.

 

[wouldbefa]

My guess would be not to many! I've had opportunity to fly with what's left of MAA as recently as this past Monday and they are some of the nicer folks I've met in Commercial Aviation.

US Airways needs to find a way to retain these workers. The EMB-170 and those who fly them were the ONE consistent bright spot throughout the dark days of US Airways. If the F/A Lawsuit brings Tempe to make room for them GREAT!

I can not speak to Republic as I've not experienced their flight crews. I have little tolerance for Contract Carriers that deviate from the M/L experience and by accounts here apparently they do. I've taken issues all the way to the VP of Inflight at Mesa so Mr Bedford can pay his people whatever he chooses. Treat this cockroach poorly and he'll wish that enema kit worked.



Went through the training at Republic and I will tell you that the arming/disarming was stressed HIGHLY. Whoever let this happen will get a ROYAL chewing, and Assreaming ( sorry) by Cymone Pinder( bad flight attendant) I graduated in their december class and will be working (I hope for another airline). Hope it wasn't any of my classmates but have an idea.

The other question is that if the FA opened it that was a non-no. The CSA is the one that opens it. On the 170 when you open the door from the outside it automatically disarms the slide. The other thing was right after graduation we where sent ot DC on our own without even a crew room lots of us had a rough time. I guess this is part it. Had a very demanding Check Fa who failed a lot of folks guess she didn't catch that one....

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Poor new hires. They have nightmares about popping the slides. Take it easy on them.

 

[wouldbefa]

Poor new hires. They have nightmares about popping the slides. Take it easy on them.

We all do, that is the reason we all do a door check. That is the reason we are flown down to Charlotte to do the arming/disarming test. No Excuse whatsover . A competant FA knows that you do the door check, any plane. As I said before Cymone Pinder must have been livid . We stressed that time, and again .

 

[EyeInTheSky]

We all do, that is the reason we all do a door check. That is the reason we are flown down to Charlotte to do the arming/disarming test. No Excuse whatsover . A competant FA knows that you do the door check, any plane. As I said before Cymone Pinder must have been livid . We stressed that time, and again .

Well, I guess you are Super Stew then. Congrats and hopefully you won't get blown on a trip.

 

[ChrisUS]

Too many!
Trust me when I say that the last thing a mainline F/A should do is start harping on RP for 1 slide deployment.

I cant beleive this is as big a problem as it is! It should be SO automatic for the F/A's. There are warnings EVERYWHERE. I NEVER foreget to put my seatbelt on when I drive. Sit down, buckle up and start the car. What is soo hard to remember about disarming? Can anyone explain?

 

[N109UW]

We all do, that is the reason we all do a door check. That is the reason we are flown down to Charlotte to do the arming/disarming test. No Excuse whatsover . A competant FA knows that you do the door check, any plane. As I said before Cymone Pinder must have been livid . We stressed that time, and again .
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I am a mainline f/a and I went to Key West last Monday out of FLL and returned through FLL on Wed. When we left FLL, neither of the f/a's verified the door checks. I thought that was odd, but maybe it isn't Republics procedure to do so. They also did not do it when we arrived in EYW. When I left on Wed., same thing, no verification by the f/a's at either end. Anyone know the policy or even if it required to do so at Republic? Just wondering.

 

[wouldbefa]

We all do, that is the reason we all do a door check. That is the reason we are flown down to Charlotte to do the arming/disarming test. No Excuse whatsover . A competant FA knows that you do the door check, any plane. As I said before Cymone Pinder must have been livid . We stressed that time, and again .
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I am a mainline f/a and I went to Key West last Monday out of FLL and returned through FLL on Wed. When we left FLL, neither of the f/a's verified the door checks. I thought that was odd, but maybe it isn't Republics procedure to do so. They also did not do it when we arrived in EYW. When I left on Wed., same thing, no verification by the f/a's at either end. Anyone know the policy or even if it required to do so at Republic? Just wondering.

It is policy at Republic to verify door check. Didn't like the way they treated us but that was drilled into us. I guess the didn't have a certain women(B) as their check FA she nailed a lot of us on picycune things. If you don't see them verify the door check e-mail Republic. By the way the oxygen mask inflates when the green strip gets "puffy".

 

[EMBFA]

if repub blows a slide every week they will be way ahead of mainline and especially midatlantic division. i see republic flight attends out online and they seem very young and inexperienced, it also looks like they hire anyone and straight out of high school. if they knew what they were doing to the real flight attendants i'm sure they wouldn't work there but they are too young and dumb to understand. no one is going to "email republic" to tell them how to be they need to just go away and stop stealing people's jobs. let them pop thier slides and piss off our passengers, maybe usairways will learn a lesson about throwing away your experienced employees who care... it looks like they already have because word is the new management regrets this whole unfortunate aircraft sale. turns out you can't make everything express. it's not rocket science closing a door on a glorified regional jet. i wonder if republic are regretting not taking the real emb170 f/as now...

 

[FlyOnWall]

maybe usairways will learn a lesson about throwing away your experienced employees who care... it looks like they already have because word is the new management regrets this whole unfortunate aircraft sale. turns out you can't make everything express.

Has the 'New US Airways' made any public comments about the MidAtlantic situation in general? Seems like they can't because of the lawsiuts, but supposedly Doug Parker tried to stop the transaction before he came and told US employees early on that he hated the transaction and wanted to keep the plane and keep the US Airways employees on it. America West management did observe the MA Division operation shortly after the merger and were apparently very impressed with it.

Also the E190 order includes options for E170s and E175s... Parker made a point to say in the media that he was glad US Airways employees would be flying it instead of a contractor. Maybe Republic is only temporary until they get the planes back? Let's hope so.

 

[Rico]

Also the E190 order includes options for E170s and E175s... Parker made a point to say in the media that he was glad US Airways employees would be flying it instead of a contractor. Maybe Republic is only temporary until they get the planes back? Let's hope so.

That is the hope. At a certain point it is cheaper to do it in house, let alone the obviously higher level of quality. The company line was that MDA was 8% cheaper than outsourcing, and there is NO doubt that Mainline's E-170 operation was (and still is) superior to Republic's.

Republic is not Mr. Parker's idea nor fault, that honor belongs to Bruce A. alone...

BoeingRico

 

[SegmentKing]

That is the hope. At a certain point it is cheaper to do it in house, let alone the obviously higher level of quality. The company line was that MDA was 8% cheaper than outsourcing, and there is NO doubt that Mainline's E-170 operation was (and still is) superior to Republic's.

Republic is not Mr. Parker's idea nor fault, that honor belongs to Bruce A. alone...

BoeingRico

Lets also not forget the difference between a wholly-owned vs contract carrier flight.

If a wholly owned flight is cancelled, USAirways EOCC will do its best to find a replacement, regardless of "cost", but will do whatever it can to move those passengers and get them where they are going. Case in point, one of our wholly-owned flights tanked one night, and a CRJ-700 appeared from a nearby city and took some of my pax out that night, with all of them thanking us for everything.

Now if a contract airline cancels, then they try to replace it from within their operation. If they ask another airline to operate the flight, then the original contract carrier has to pay the repo costs, etc....

I'm not saying this to bash Repub, Chautauqua, Colgan, Air Wisky, or Mesa... i think each airline has their part in our system, but I must say that I am *VERY* sided towards Piedmont, PSA, and MidAtlantic. I have been and continue to be very pleased with the wholly owneds compared to other air carriers.

 

[JAXPax]

Adding to the cost of contract carriers... look at the Key West flights this weekend. Under Mid-Atlantic this route ran on time, if not early, most of the time.

With Republic.... look at the last 3 days. Should have been 9 flights. In the end, 3 cancelled outright, and 5 of the 6 others late, including the whole series today running late today. Friday they replaced one broken plane at EYW with another they flew in from DCA (and the planeload of people had to watch the replacement ferry empty back to FLL because of Republic's inability to do a single-engine turn). Agents even asked for that flight to be cancelled, but they wouldn't as Republic insisted they could complete the flight.

Gotta be fun to be a customer service agent down there telling people no way to get home. I've heard some of the staff are so sick of it they're ready to walk. Aside from the fact they're working 12 hour days back to back, having to stick around until Republic finally completes their last delayed flight of the day (gotta complete that flight to pay Indianapolis!).

 

[FlyOnWall]

I have been and continue to be very pleased with the wholly owneds compared to other air carriers./q/



That's because they actually work for US Airways (MA) or US Airways Group (PSA&PDT) so they care about the US Airways brand and passenger. They have the same goals and agendas as US Airways does.

The others have thier own agendas. US Airways hardships are good for them because they get more flying while US parks airplanes and lays people off. Republic Airlines whole existence hinges on hundreds of US Airways employees losing thier hard-earned careers. The airline exists only to replace mainline jobs on former mainline planes. None of these companies provide growth to US Airways, they just replace service previously operated by US Airways or a wholly owned.

It's not cheaper to use them, it's actually cheaper to keep flying in house and use your own employess. Contract airlines are only used to keep unions at bay so the employees are not in control, and the contractors can be pitted against each other to see who can drive thier costs the lowest.