How To Manipulate The Cancellation Numbers 101

[TWU informer]

Interesting how the NWA Management Propaganda Machine has gone relatively silent of late.

 

[NWA_NJ]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Why should management say anything? They've got things pretty well under control so far. Could that change? Absolutely. But as things are now, why would they want to bring attention to the strike?

 

[TWU informer]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Why should management say anything?  They've got things pretty well under control so far.  Could that change?  Absolutely.  But as things are now, why would they want to bring attention to the strike?

[post="294766"][/post]​

Hmmm, I thought they had "things under control" from the beginning?

So the media blitz in the early stages, was that because things were not under control?

I don't get your logic.

"under control so far"?

Losing more than $4 million per day, asking the non-striking groups for more concessions while the mechanics walk.

Oh yeah, NWA is under control so far....

 

[NWAMSP]

Interesting how the NWA Management Propaganda Machine has gone relatively silent of late.

[post="294748"][/post]​

As I was flying out of MSP I saw them...gasp...replacing a departures monitor. They were probably removing the rigged monitors before anyone caught on.

MSP - ORD flight was delayed for unexpected MX....but that was on AA not NW...gasp...non-striking unions have unscheduled maintenance...

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Rigged monitors eh?

NWA must be run by the guys that faked the moon landings.

 

[Bob Owens]

AMFA Losing? There is no winner in this battle, in the end everyone loses. Just watch and see. However, Mechanics will be re-employed at reasonable pay-rates, while the directors of this airline's failure will never be placed in charge of another in the industry. So who loses the most?

[post="293869"][/post]​

The directors probably already have other jobs. Most directors are execs at other companies. You are correct about mechanics. IF they lose, they will find work. So who will lose? The Pilots, Flight Attendants and other workers. Why? Because the premium that they earn at a legacy carrier puts them way above what other workers doing similar jobs earn. Even way above what workers doing the same exact job at Regionals earn.

The Scab Mech are getting around $26/hr, which puts them at about the same as Regional Carriers like American Eagle. Top Pay at SWA, the highest paid now, is around $36. At AA its $30. Average among the legacies is closer to $30. So the difference between the Regionals and Legacies for mechanics wages is around 15%.

Lets look at baggage handlers. They average around $20/hr at the legacies. At Regionals and contractors they average around $10. So the difference is around 100%.


Now lets look at Flight Attendants. American Eagle just got a TA. According to reports they will max out at $17/flight hour. Compare that to a toped out FA at American Airlines at around $45/flight hour. A difference of around 300% more.

Finally lets look at Pilots. At Regionals they earn around $65,000/year, at the majors they can top out at $200,000. A difference of over 300%.

The mechanics, especially in high cost areas never really earned a premium for being employed by the airline. The skills they have command as much, if not more outside of aviation. On top of that we have to work weekends, holidays, shifts etc. We are here because we like airplanes, but if the airline industry dissapears, which it wont, we can go do pretty much the same thing in other industries, without the drawbacks, and within a few years be earning what we were in the airlines. Other workers in this industry would not fare as well.

So as they cross the picket lines and help the company against the mechanics they are sealing their own fate. NWA will not be content to only knock the mechs pay down, they will not be content to keep paying double the Regional rate for the same work done by baggage handlers, triple the rate for the same work done by Flight attendants and even more than that for the pilots. They have already said that they were going to demand even bigger cuts than they were asking for before. The big difference is that those workers will give. They will give the company everything they ask for. My guess is they will end up demanding as much as 50%, and they will get it. With thousands of airline workers out there, and the proven rate at which they can get people to show up at regionals being much, much lower than what the Legacies are paying, what options will they have?

The company will continue to pick them off one at a time, having already defeated the one group that was the most likely to simply leave the industry. The group that had the lowest premium and the least to lose by saying "NO".

 

[markkus757]

TWU Informer - I hate to burst your bubble but there are a lot of mechanics out there still not employed by a major airline. If the striking mechanics want a job in the industry still, where are they going to work at? NWA will hire about 1500(my guess) of them back at lower wages because there is probably that many that would've thrown the juniors under the bus to save their hides. Not everyone wanted to strike. You can come on here and say that 92% voted to strike, but you can't say that everyone voted either, can you? I just hope everyone at NW has planned their next 12 months already because Bk is coming and there will be a fire sale to someone.

 

[sentrido]

$26 an hour at a regional? maybe after climbing the 16 year scale....

 

[TWU informer]

TWU Informer - I hate to burst your bubble but there are a lot of mechanics out there still not employed by a major airline. If the striking mechanics want a job in the industry still, where are they going to work at? NWA will hire about 1500(my guess) of them back at lower wages because there is probably that many that would've thrown the juniors under the bus to save their hides. Not everyone wanted to strike. You can come on here and say that 92% voted to strike, but you can't say that everyone voted either, can you? I just hope everyone at NW has planned their next 12 months already because Bk is coming and there will be a fire sale to someone.

[post="294817"][/post]​

You spew more lies.

I never said anything about "come on here and say that 92% voted to strike", and I challenge you to save your credibility and prove otherwise.

You company folks get a thought in your head, and then it becomes the truth to you regardless of facts that can prove otherwise!

 

[dc3fanatic]

"under control so far"?

Losing more than $4 million per day, asking the non-striking groups for more concessions while the mechanics walk.

Oh yeah, NWA is under control so far....

[post="294773"][/post]​

If you wanted to save as much money as you could (out of labor), why not go to the other unions when you are demonstrating that you CAN handle a strike?

 

[Hopeful]

The recent devastation to both life and property caused by Katrina will cause fuel prices to reach unsustainable levels. This will hasten either the Chapter 11 filings of some airlines or seal the doom of others.

 

[TWU informer]

Reduction in Available Fuel Supply is a "FORCE MAJEURE" issue.

Could be widespread problems for more than the immediate victims.

 

[TWU informer]