How US Airways was saved
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I guess no one else gave up anything!!!What a hero
This guy is not a hero. He was the first MEC Chairman to urge his pilot group to capitulate, twice, to the demands of an over-reaching and incompentent management in order to (in his mind) save "jobs".
I freely admit the pilots needed to do something to aid in the attempt to save U from liquidation. We did. In BK one our pension was gone. Pay cut drastically and work rules changed to reflect the paradigm shift of the business. Of course, this wasn't enough. In his mind. More pressure was brought on the pilots in BK two and Pollock rolled over easily as the threats were issued by a management who now understood just what easy pickin's the pilot group was under his leadership. Now, today, we are the lowest paid pilot group in the industry and have decimated our junior members while the brainstorms who run us still can't make a profit.
What happens from here is anyone's guess. But I will say it over and over again: If the Southwest pilots can make 190 bucks an hour and be profitable while the U pilots make 125 bucks an hour and continue to lose money, the problem lies in the CCY and PHX executive suites. Not the flight deck. Pollock a hero?
Hardly.
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I freely admit the pilots needed to do something to aid in the attempt to save U from liquidation. We did. In BK one our pension was gone. Pay cut drastically and work rules changed to reflect the paradigm shift of the business. Of course, this wasn't enough. In his mind. More pressure was brought on the pilots in BK two and Pollock rolled over easily as the threats were issued by a management who now understood just what easy pickin's the pilot group was under his leadership. Now, today, we are the lowest paid pilot group in the industry and have decimated our junior members while the brainstorms who run us still can't make a profit.
What happens from here is anyone's guess. But I will say it over and over again: If the Southwest pilots can make 190 bucks an hour and be profitable while the U pilots make 125 bucks an hour and continue to lose money, the problem lies in the CCY and PHX executive suites. Not the flight deck. Pollock a hero?
Hardly.
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Prior to Bankruptcy II US Airways offered ALPA the America West contract with JetBlue work rules.
The PA Representatives, along with the BOS Captain Representative, used their "roll call" vote to turn down this offer and instead became the first MEC to provide an airline a Letter of Agreement or contract worse than management's offer.
Now with the merger the former US Airways pilots are trying to negotiate a joint contract with the America West ALPA working agreement a template for discussion.
Who lost because of the RC4/5 and their hardline tactics...the line pilot and their families.
Today in an email message the BOS First Officer Representative said, "'And Bill (Pollock), whether the pilots of this airline now know, or will ever know, we are forever in your debt.'
Many will disagree, of course, and choose to vilifiy Bill to his dying day. They are wrong. We came close to disappearing not once, but several times, and it's leaders like Bill Pollock who simply wouldn't allow that to happen.
Sad, indeed, that in return we wouldn't even let him run again as a candidate for MEC Chairman. And his crime? He told us the truth, and the truth wasn't always pretty," he said.
No truer words were ever said and every US Airways pilot owes Bill Pollock a lot.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The PA Representatives, along with the BOS Captain Representative, used their "roll call" vote to turn down this offer and instead became the first MEC to provide an airline a Letter of Agreement or contract worse than management's offer.
Now with the merger the former US Airways pilots are trying to negotiate a joint contract with the America West ALPA working agreement a template for discussion.
Who lost because of the RC4/5 and their hardline tactics...the line pilot and their families.
Today in an email message the BOS First Officer Representative said, "'And Bill (Pollock), whether the pilots of this airline now know, or will ever know, we are forever in your debt.'
Many will disagree, of course, and choose to vilifiy Bill to his dying day. They are wrong. We came close to disappearing not once, but several times, and it's leaders like Bill Pollock who simply wouldn't allow that to happen.
Sad, indeed, that in return we wouldn't even let him run again as a candidate for MEC Chairman. And his crime? He told us the truth, and the truth wasn't always pretty," he said.
No truer words were ever said and every US Airways pilot owes Bill Pollock a lot.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
You got that right 700.
320 and his cohorts who look at this as a job and not a profession support guys like Pollock. The PA reps had the majority of pilots behind them and were cut off at the knees by the weak sisters during BK two.
But 320 won't address the Southwest pilot pay. He only wants to make what JetBlue and AmWest make. He thinks little of his profession and his fellow pilots. He is the epitome of how ALPA eat their young then scream when someone tries to make a stand. Then he places the blame at the pilot's feet when the blame lies squarely with incompetent and greedy management who don't know how to run an airline.
pilot
320 and his cohorts who look at this as a job and not a profession support guys like Pollock. The PA reps had the majority of pilots behind them and were cut off at the knees by the weak sisters during BK two.
But 320 won't address the Southwest pilot pay. He only wants to make what JetBlue and AmWest make. He thinks little of his profession and his fellow pilots. He is the epitome of how ALPA eat their young then scream when someone tries to make a stand. Then he places the blame at the pilot's feet when the blame lies squarely with incompetent and greedy management who don't know how to run an airline.
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Persoanlly, I will wait patiently to see where all the federal lawsuits against the actions of ALPA, USAirways and the RSA end up. The Reed article conveniently left out the racketeering charges pending in court against these entities.
Owe Pollock a lot? Maybe a lot of years behind bars with his management cronies.
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Let's face it, USA320Pilot and the BOS Fo rep (and the former MEC chairman too for that matter) would work for half what they make even now. There is no bottom line for these guys period, and quite literally there is nothing that they wouldn't accept. Sad but true.
Just like the iam.
So let me get this right. A SW 737 captain(I assume) makes 190 per hour and our guys make 125, what should a 330 captain make. I remember when the 330 guys were making $310,000 per year, for flying an airplane. My god. I mentioned that to the guys I was flying with and they both denied it, said I was an idiot and that no pilot at US made that kind of money. They shut up pretty quick when I pulled out a list of the highest paid pilots at each airline(which could be found on the PIT ALPA board in the crewroom). That post came down pretty quick after that. Can't say I blame them.Then all of the sudden, it was" Oh, thats only a couple guys" United was #1 at 350K, we were #2. We really needed to get things back on track. It was getting out of hand. Don't get me wrong, I respect everything you guys do up on the flightdeck, and I have been around aviation my whole life(Dad was Air Force pilot and is still instructor to this day at age 70). He would always joke"Damn, I should have gone the civilian route". But he is more than happy helping you future pilots get yout ATP.
