IAM/US Mechanic and Related Update

[1AA]

The majority of my career was a stock clerk.

And how many times, do I have to state that one's classification has nothing to do with their education and knowledge, thanks for the back handed attempt at an insult.

I have been a shop steward, a local lodge trustee, local lodge editor, local lodge recording secretary, district rep, negotiating committee member (first non-mechanic ever to be on the US/IAM Negotiating Committee.

Attended all the placid harbor leadership classes, and then some, won numerous awards, grievances, saved many a members' job and even a nice $15 million arbitration.

I will put up my labor record against anyone's.

And never took a penny more than my salary as if I was still working on the property.

So explain to me how one's classification has limits their knowledge or education?

It is AMFA who doesnt understand how unionism works:

1. Petitioned the NMB numerous times to remove utility, cleaners and relateds from the mechanic class and craft.

2. Sent a letter to NW executives and told the company to take more from the IAM represented employees at NW so the mechanics wouldnt have to take as big of concessions.

It is AMFA and their elitist's attitude who needs to learn about unionism.

Now I know why AMFA scares you. You been a stock clerk too long in your career. You have no vision of being in a craft union because you more than likely have a personal agenda in the industrial union concept. Your true colors have just been exposed. Thank you for sharing that information.

 

[700UW]

True colors?

What true colors?

Unionism is about everyone in the class and craft, not just one group over another.

Better go back and educate yourself how unions came about and what their purpose serves.

And why would I want to be in a union where they dont want me?

 

[1AA]

True colors?

What true colors?

Unionism is about everyone in the class and craft, not just one group over another.

Better go back and educate yourself how unions came about and what their purpose serves.

And why would I want to be in a union where they dont want me?

Unionism? Like what the IAM did during the NWA strike. The IAM International gave directives to the local president to cross AMFA's picket line. One union stabbing another in the back for the sake of UNIONISM. Is that what you refer to unionism?
The TWU also knew that TWU members were scabbing NWA on the side for some extra cash. TWU knew but kept quiet about it. That is unionism?

 

[N617P]

N617P

The almighty IAM got beat down at CAL more than that time. So are you saying that amfa's failure at NWA is different than the multiple failures of the IAM at CAL?
The pensions and alot more was lost through out the yrs at CAL. CAL mechanics and cleaners and stores guys crossed the picket line there as well.

The money that the SWA mechanics make and the UPS mechanics make, leads me think that having the ramp and stores NOT attached to my class and craft will get mechanics more Money.

If you think we are elieist like 700UW then let us GO, Lets us make our own bed and lye in it. If we fail you can come and tell us we told you so. We think AMFA is better for us. If you think we are wrong and AMFA is so bad then why don't you tell the leadership of the industrial unions screw the mechanics let them go to that little pissy union they will come crawling back. AMFA is just a joke isn't that what the IAM/IBT think, well please give us the boot. Send us packing, have us run over to AMFA and lets see how we make out without the ramp and stores. Its not an education thing
some of the ramp guys and stores guys are well educated. maybe smarter than mechanics I never said that was the case.

Unionism in the USA has changed, most don't even care. Most will stab the next guy for a paid lunch or O/T. We the mechanics at AA want to choose our poison.

AMFA is where we want to GO so just lets us go. Stop putting down AMFA and telling us how bad they are. Let us get them and see how we fair, negotiating for ourselves.
And while we are gone we can see just YOU do with out having us around as well.

AMFAinMIAMI

AA will soon be deciding which union will represent them. IAM or TWU if a merger occurs next week.
I would like to see some testomonials from former Northwest mechanics. I worked at NWA while on furlough. I haven't heard anything possative from them regarding AMFA!

I used to drink the koolaid as well. If we could just get rid of the cleaners we could get a fair wage and better pension. It doesn't work that way. Southwest doesn't do overhaul. UPS is a Box company click and ship. They are not apples to apples in a true comparison to a full service airline when it comes to mechanics wage and bennifit package.

I dont need to sit in on negociations to trust my union willdo the right thing.

 

[swamt]

I was in every single negotiating session with the IAM Mechanic and Related Negotiating Committee, I was a full member" APPOINTED" by the district and grand lodge.

Key word here is "APPOINTED" With AMFA the entire membership will "ELECT" who they want to represent them in nego's. No-one is appointed with in AMFA.

 

[swamt]

AMFAinMIAMI

AA will soon be deciding which union will represent them. IAM or TWU if a merger occurs next week.
I would like to see some testomonials from former Northwest mechanics. I worked at NWA while on furlough. I haven't heard anything possative from them regarding AMFA!

I used to drink the koolaid as well. If we could just get rid of the cleaners we could get a fair wage and better pension. It doesn't work that way. Southwest doesn't do overhaul. UPS is a Box company click and ship. They are not apples to apples in a true comparison to a full service airline when it comes to mechanics wage and bennifit package.

I dont need to sit in on negociations to trust my union willdo the right thing.

Southwest does do overhaul. Maybe you do need to sit in on nego's I believe US and AA are currently at the bottom, with everything.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I was in every single negotiating session with the IAM Mechanic and Related Negotiating Committee, I was a full member appointed by the district and grand lodge.

700UW

That is a lie,, plain and simple YOU were at the negotiation Hotel or what ever building but unless you are a
lawyer or an Intl officer You were NEVER in the actual room with the company. NO WAY. The IAM/TWU/IBT would NEVER Allow that.

AMFA is the only one that has that.

YOU sir are NOT being Honest.

 

[N617P]

Southwest does do overhaul. Maybe you do need to sit in on nego's I believe US and AA are currently at the bottom, with everything.

We are Not at the bottom. If you Only look at wages your missing the big picture.

 

[Vortilon]

True colors?

What true colors?

Unionism is about everyone in the class and craft, not just one group over another.

Better go back and educate yourself how unions came about and what their purpose serves.

And why would I want to be in a union where they dont want me?

700, here is your idea of unionism:

“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”
― Karl Marx

AMTs have been tied to the collective far too long. AMTs have been fleeced completely. We have given the strength in numbers method enough chances, and the AMTs end up subsidizing the unskilled to their detriment every damn time!

 

[700UW]

700UW

That is a lie,, plain and simple YOU were at the negotiation Hotel or what ever building but unless you are a
lawyer or an Intl officer You were NEVER in the actual room with the company. NO WAY. The IAM/TWU/IBT would NEVER Allow that.

AMFA is the only one that has that.

YOU sir are NOT being Honest.

You are the one that is lying.

Your not a US employee, I was, I was on the negotiating committee, plain and simple and spent three months in DC at US Airways Headquarters, five days a week trying to hammer out a deal.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

 

[1AA]

You are the one that is lying.

Your not a US employee, I was, I was on the negotiating committee, plain and simple and spent three months in DC at US Airways Headquarters, five days a week trying to hammer out a deal.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

. You already have been proven wrong. Just go read past posts. If you want to push your ideas that affect the AMT then get your tickets and come on over. There is a big nationwide shortage of AMTs. Until then you are an outsider even with USAir. You don't read about AMTs telling the pilots how to negotiate or run a union do you? You obviously have a personal agenda here and could care less about the AMTs. Focus on your position at USAir. I'm trying to be nice here so don't go postal on this board when others refute your claims in a field you do not work in.

 

[700UW]

You are the one making accusations and false statements, so back it up with proof.

And you keep avoiding amfa's failures at NW and AS.

Yep going alone sure worked out great for amfa at those carriers.

You might want to read amfa's constitution, there is more than just mechanics in it.

 

[1AA]

You are the one making accusations and false statements, so back it up with proof.

And you keep avoiding amfa's failures at NW and AS.

Yep going alone sure worked out great for amfa at those carriers.

You might want to read amfa's constitution, there is more than just mechanics in it.

. I'm not avoiding nothing. Your more concerned about the AMTs at nwa and AS than the AMTs themselves. That was not your fight and your IAM crossed those picket lines under directives from the IAM international. Have a nice day. Bye, bye.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You are the one making accusations and false statements, so back it up with proof.

And you keep avoiding amfa's failures at NW and AS.

Yep going alone sure worked out great for amfa at those carriers.

You might want to read amfa's constitution, there is more than just mechanics in it.

700UW

I have read AMFA constitution, and you are correct there are more than aircraft mechanics. Plant or facilities depending on what your carrier calls them, but still mechanics. Autoshop or automotive. Title I aircraft washers or parts washers. Interior or appearance techs at SWA. But here at AA we don't have them. Nor do we have washers any more, they are being fased out. TWU doing along with AA.

But like I said NO STOCK CLERKS.. NO RAMP Not in my class and craft get it now?

 

[Dilligas]

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Your union sucks.

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You're in a sucky union.


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