The "snap back" grievance outcome could impact any vote.
IBT meeting PHL 30 Nov, Post Questions Here.
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The "snap back" grievance outcome could impact any vote.
just like viewing the IAM contract...this IBT one is classified.
since you all are now 'U'...just access the hub...its there under divisions,human resources...its that easy .
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Ok........lets say it does end up in decertification. Which union would you blame? If you were the least bit honest, you would know that the IAM would be to blame. You seem to have very little confidence in your IAM brothers and sisters. You "bet" against them again and again. Decertification - so be it - the majority has spoken.
You are so worried that the furloughed members will not care enough to vote. I know you are wrong. I have much more confidence in them than you ever have.
You will fit very well in the IAM management. That is unfortunate for the IAM membership. 🙂
dude its not the union its the membership.
no dude its the current employees on the property who won't bother...we've tried to tell you that before.if you are lucky enough to pull off representation you will see how unionism is dead here....IBT will not resurrect it either.the only ones who attend union meetings for the most part are stewards and not all of them go.
suddenly under IBT boing 50% activity???
Gonzo,
Go ask your idol andy what the ibt did at Allegheny/Piedmont to the stock clerks.
The ibt forced an election and 50%+1 did not vote and now all the stock clerks are non-union with no CBA, so don't tell us it won't happen as it just did.
How come the ibt could not get a 50%+1 vote?
Go ask your idol andy what the ibt did at Allegheny/Piedmont to the stock clerks.
The ibt forced an election and 50%+1 did not vote and now all the stock clerks are non-union with no CBA, so don't tell us it won't happen as it just did.
How come the ibt could not get a 50%+1 vote?
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What good is any kind of union without strong members. And if you don't have strong members, what good is a union?? Sounds like a stupid statement but one without the other isn't worth anything. And it's not just labor unions.......it's a "union" of any kind. Just like in politics...........those that don't vote really shouldn't #### about the way things turned out.
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"Sounds like a stupid statement" No truer words have been said in this entire thread.
Without contracts...This combined airline could shed itself of everyone for any reason that happened to suit their needs? Can you say Cost Cutting Measures ? You have likely become Jerry Glass's favorite asker of questions.
OK...without a contract 2000 Heavy Maintenance Jobs just went south of the border. Wouldn't that help level the field between US and say WN, FL , B6 and a few others almost overnight? Gee...Do you think DP would be whistling zippidy do dah out of is A$$ then? You bet he would !!
OK..without a contract "Your Fired" for some trumped up reason.and being in a "Right to Work" State , you can't do much about it..as the burden of proof is up to you to provide proof of wrongfull termination.
OK..without a contract "Your Fired" .Cuz the company can hire someone new and un-represented for half of what you are presently making...and they would likely have fewer benefits too coming to them as well.
Be carefull what you wish for...you just might GET IT in ways you haven't begun to carefully consider.
BTW AIRWOMAN...WOULD YOU CARE TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE EXACTLY WHAT UNION REPRESENTS YOU PRESENTLY at US/HP WEST ??? Fill in the blank ___________
Afterall AIRWOMAN...you get involved with every thread on this subject..and sure its mostly questions...but I just thought I'd pose a question to you for a change. Let's let everyone see where you are coming from ?
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Well in this case it is,a weak union is better than no union at USAIRWAYS no matter who it is.
And if this election fails thats what we will all have.And that will be the fault of the IBT who has failed to understand the impact of there actions.(why..who knows )
Andy and his boys have been spreading the rumor that this is the only time that you can get ride of the IAM,that if its not done now it cant be done later,and that is a lie.
In stead of waiting it out seeing what will happen with the IAM he has forced or is trying to force an election,I sure hope all those on layoff will vote,but then whats in store for them after the IBT takes over,hummm.
I sure hope all of you have read the rules in the NMB websight and have educated yourself to this fact.You can get ride of any union anytime,but not if your desertified,you get non,notta,zip.
wake up folks.
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My statement was to emphasize, in my opinion, the need for strength between the unions and the members. And IF there is a vote, then show the strength and vote. And the stupid statement reference was me, thinking that everyone already knows that.
As I have clearly stated before, I am not currently in a position with union representation. I have been a union member a number of times before. And as stated before, I may be acreeded into the union because of the merger. And yes, I do and will ask questions.....of both sides.
That's where I am coming from and I have made that fact known.
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AIRWOMAN...I agree that strength from within the Unions is necessary..but it again boils down to the character and strength of those within the Trade Unions. We are already starting off as a house divided..and this will not be in anyones favor but the competition
Frankly...The Strength from within the Unions are lacking , as we can see from what is taking place with the AMFA Strike at NW..and even the UAW within the US Automotive Industry. Unions as a whole will never have any real strength again...until they either have the ability to make work and services cease..or the fear of crossing a picket line becomes to great for a Scab to risk. Until those possibilities become viable again...the rest is just lip service and Corporate America seems to know this.
IMHO...Your questions are for the most part valid ones..but Not being presently Unionized , leaves you without a vote in the current IAM/IBT debate anyway you slice it. So in reality..the frequency and concerns of your posts seem to be a designed to create more mis-trust between the two groups than anything. Maybe de-certification of the Unions is exactly the self-serving thing you are hoping for? Other real and current Trade Union Members have to ask this question of you , in light of the volumn and content of your posts.
I can understand the concern of acreetion...but regardless of which, or if either Union wins out? Acreetion would be a long ways down the road..if it is even a valid concern to begin with? Under ideal and un-contested conditions..the last one took almost three years before it became fact.
U's Acreetion of the Planners , MOC Tech's and Tech Doc Specialists took place under very much different times..as U saw no reason to even challenge it. U's leadership at that time was not concerned about such a fight..as they were focused solely on polishing up the Name Brand and either selling it or merging it...and going away with Millions in their pockets. One has to see that the strategy worked in respect to Wolf and Gangwhal...and even Dave Siegel if you look at it clearly.
duh...i don't think so...Well in this case it is,a weak union is better than no union at USAIRWAYS no matter who it is.
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