If this is all about DL employee's "overwhelming desire" to unionize...

[bagboy]

...and we still dont want your union.

Too bad. With NWA comes us and the union.

 

[Danny Campbell]

Ch, 12:

If you are referring to "AFA", perhaps you should read and understand our constitution before you make dumb comments, like "....feeding your union leadership with fat paychecks". Did you know that there are NO SALARIES for AFA leaders (except the top 3 Int'l leaders) -- only reimbursed time for trips they have to drop? So, the 100's of elected leaders in AFA do the work of our organization because we believe in it.

Furthermore, your comment about us (NWA) being 'miserable' certainly doesn't play out in current airline quality rankings, does it?

Here, read this...

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NWA highest ranked legacy carrier in Airline Quality Ratings

Northwest ranks highest among the legacy carriers in the 18th annual national Airline Quality Ratings (AQR) study.

Northwest is the only legacy carrier among the top five airlines -- AirTran, JetBlue, Southwest, Northwest, and Frontier. Rankings for other legacy carriers are: Continental-6; United-8, American-9, Delta-10, and US Airways-11.

The AQR, as an industry standard, provides consumers and industry watchers a means to compare quality among airlines using objective performance-based data on 15 elements important to consumers when judging the quality of airline service. In all, sixteen airlines were studied. An Airline Report Card is available at www.aqr.aero.
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Maybe there is something to having a LEGAL CONTRACT and doing the best job possible, maybe ?

Danny Campbell, NWA FA

 

[DAL Mech]

Too bad. With NWA comes us and the union.

Not without a vote it doesn't, good luck with that.

 

[luv2fly]

AMEN BROTHER!
I hope NW unions realize this when they start merging the non-union scabs with the dues paying loyal members.

I thought a scab was a person who didn't honor and crossed a picket line in order to perform struck work. You define it as a person who is simply non union?

 

[local 12 proud]

...and we still dont want your union.

Who's we?

after reading a post over on the AA forum written by one of your own, it seems some of your Mechanics may be wishing they had some representation!

New here, I have been following your thread. I work for the big D. The same issues have been going through our maintenance department too.

Has any of your AMTs been "released" either temporarily or permanantly? We are having "in house" interviews with the AMTs that inspected and reworked the A/C on the 27th to see if they followed the AD to the letter.

Several have been temprorarily suspended. Our paperwork has change several times already, and the latest issue came up after a new inspector found the exsisting clip that the snap tube attaches to at the lower end is drawn upside down in the Fig. This went all the way to Boeing to get it figured out.

Very Concerned here how this is being handled.

 

[DAL Mech]

Who's we?

after reading a post over on the AA forum written by one of your own, it seems some of your Mechanics may be wishing they had some representation!

There are some, mainly line and guys in the northeast (which I understand, considering they don't get a COLA). In the hangar for the most part, where most of the mechanics are, don't want the union, the hangar has always been the stumbling block. I work in a line environment and it honestly doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[USAir757]

Just wanted to chime in and let you know that this is our new home and we aren't going anywhere till this merger go through or dies for good. If we are to merge with the kool-aid kids we must first understand the kool-aid kids. I am here to learn more about what makes the people of DL tick. Soon you will get to see what makes us tick at NW when we merge. The union will then be voted in and we can listen to you whine under the managers desks about the big, bad red tailers taking over.

Good illustration there... anybody who doesn't agree with you must be drinking Kool-Aid. Perhaps you should look at yourselves and your own drink of choice.

if DL people need union representation and you have it...why are you the miserable one and DL people content with what they do?.... But stupidity, to me, is joining a group in which you continue to be miserable and are apparently unknowingly in the game of feeding your union leadership with fat paychecks. If DL people are stupid and that is why they are happy, then call me stupid and happy. Better than being hyper-intelligent as you and miserable.

This is absolutely true. Unions change work culture, and will likely destroy whatever harmony is left at Delta. You need only to look at the posts of the pro-union people here to see that they need DL's organization so badly, they will go on every airline board to insist that it is the only way. People have referred to it as communism, and in a way it is... in that, you must have total participation in order for the system to work.

That would be great if NON UNON Delta didn't use Union pay scales and work rules for comparison. Then we could really see how high your wages and work rules would rise 'based on merit' just like pre-1930's America.

They get their cake, and they eat it too. Sounds to me like you're just jealous...

I'd rather take my chance with "feeding union leadership" than management and corporate America (who'd just as soon treat you like the Slaves in China). You actually think we live in a society where American corporations care about you or your merit. You and every other American worker is just a means to an end to them, and if you don't believe that, then you are in deep denial of reality.

And that is true to form with most of the pro-union posters here.... those who don't wish to organize are "in deep denial of reality", "drinking Kool-Aid", "Not smart", just not up to your league of intelligence.... because, of course, your way is the ONLY way, right?

Let's be VERY CLEAR about something, Don't put words in my mouth. I have NEVER insulted Delta employees based on their abilities to professionally run an airline, and never will.

Congratulations to you then, for being so polite while you tell them that they don't know anything about anything. I'm sure they are humbled by your enormous and profound bank of intelligence. :blink:

I hope NW unions realize this when they start merging the non-union scabs with the dues paying loyal members.

See this Delta guys? Jealousy runs deep... and they are already calling you scabs, before you've ever crossed a picket line. I feel sorry if you have to work with some of these people. Not miserable? Sure looks like it from these seats. :down:

 

[Ch. 12]

Ch, 12:

If you are referring to "AFA", perhaps you should read and understand our constitution before you make dumb comments, like "....feeding your union leadership with fat paychecks". Did you know that there are NO SALARIES for AFA leaders (except the top 3 Int'l leaders) -- only reimbursed time for trips they have to drop? So, the 100's of elected leaders in AFA do the work of our organization because we believe in it.

You are a car salesman...of course you won't say anything negative about the car. Unions are a business...that is why they recruit so ruthlessly. Every member means more funds to the union. I'd rather keep my $$. This is no Upton Sinclair novel...all of the mentionings about slave labor and getting taken advantage of is quite an exaggeration and just like our "nobel" President...meant to drive up support through fear. Keep trying to sell, Danny Campbell, but how can I even begin to view you as objective when you are just an agent of the union business?

Furthermore, your comment about us (NWA) being 'miserable' certainly doesn't play out in current airline quality rankings, does it?

This is humorous. I already see where you are going with this. You are very slick...like a salesman. Let me predict that next year...when the largely SUBJECTIVE quality rankings come out and AMR takes a huge hit for all of the complaints they take for their MD-80 groundings, you are going to pounce and say..."see...AFA is better than APFA b/c NW had fewer complaints than AA!" I love it!! HA! Now why don't you go back and read the study. The only reason that NW stayed up there is b/c the other carriers fell that much harder. DL moved UP two spots while NW only moved UP one. Should we base "employee happiness" on that? Sounds like DL employees are attaining happiness at twice the rate of NW employees. 14 of 20 reporting carriers had fewer complaints than NW so I'm not sure how that shows that the employees are "happier". Odd twist you have on subjective data.

 

[69226922]

That would be great if NON UNON Delta didn't use Union pay scales and work rules for comparison. Then we could really see how high your wages and work rules would rise 'based on merit' just like pre-1930's America.

No, Delta people are not stupid, that's why the know that the days of the "Delta family" based on those old dusty slow southern days...are long gone. And seeing how Delta will possible be merging with a HIGHLY Unionized carrier, who isn't about to give up their job protections, I'd say Delta people are VERY smart to prepare for change and Unionization. The South has historically been anti-Union...it goes with the undeniable Slave/Master history of it's DNA. Well, Delta may be HQ in the South, but it is far from the dixie company it once was.

I'd rather take my chance with "feeding union leadership" than management and corporate America (who'd just as soon treat you like the Slaves in China). You actually think we live in a society where American corporations care about you or your merit. You and every other American worker is just a means to an end to them, and if you don't believe that, then you are in deep denial of reality. You mean no more to them than a Slave in China means to Americans who enjoy there cheap products from Wal Mart, while they work 16 hour days, with 20 minute breaks and live in dorms like Slave houses, with a "reward" of $10 dollars a week.

p.s. "WE"...are FAR from being miserable, in fact, WE are so happy, we aren't interested in merging. We, will have a say in what happens, not told to go sit down with the kids and shut up. We, had to be FORCED by crooked judges to be taken advantage of...what is your excuse for being the lowest paid?

Let's be VERY CLEAR about something, Don't put words in my mouth. I have NEVER insulted Delta employees based on their abilities to professionally run an airline, and never will. Delta employees are just as professional, intelligent as any other group of airline employees. In fact, I think they are some of the best in the entire industry. So, go peddle your divisive crap some place else.

 

[Kev3188]

I'd rather keep my $$.

Me too. What part of the fact that by paying $41.00/monthly I save well over $100 is lost on you?

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

You are a car salesman...of course you won't say anything negative about the car. Unions are a business...that is why they recruit so ruthlessly. Every member means more funds to the union. I'd rather keep my $$. This is no Upton Sinclair novel...all of the mentionings about slave labor and getting taken advantage of is quite an exaggeration and just like our "nobel" President...meant to drive up support through fear. Keep trying to sell, Danny Campbell, but how can I even begin to view you as objective when you are just an agent of the union business?

Ch12, you are reading but you're not comprehending. That's because you're really not trying to have a real debate. You're just wanting to talk AT people, rather than TO them. You can't take facts (AFA's non profit status, Danny's recv'ng no pay except trip drops) and act as though he's making them up in order to win support. These are FACTS. The union's status of non-profit is registered. Danny is a FA.
It's fine to have a debate based on the FACTS but if you're coming from the place that everything your opponent says is a lie---that's NOT a debate.
And btw, when you try to dispel known and accepted FACTS it leads to two things: 1) You're insecure about your argument and/or not armed with FACTS on your own side....and 2) This, unfortunately, is where the Koolaid reference starts getting thrown around because it means you aren't basing your argument on FACTS, only out of whole cloth--which is what cultists (Koolaid came from Jim Jones) tend to do.
I'm all for debate but you come across as weak in your argument because the only thing I've read that you've posted is basically what the major anti-union consulting groups put out: that unions are a business.
I do agree w/ you, btw, on Bush using fear. That makes me believe you are indeed an intelligent person. So, let's see a real debate based on facts, not regurgitation of paid cosulting group's (they ARE a business and Delta has paid them handsomely) talking points.

 

[North by Northwest]

This is absolutely true. Unions change work culture, and will likely destroy whatever harmony is left at Delta. You need only to look at the posts of the pro-union people here to see that they need DL's organization so badly, they will go on every airline board to insist that it is the only way. People have referred to it as communism, and in a way it is... in that, you must have total participation in order for the system to work.
Then why are you at a UNION carrier and not at Delta (did they turn you down?)


They get their cake, and they eat it too. Sounds to me like you're just jealous...(why is it not surprising that you embrace parasitic actions)


Such anti union venom coming from someone who has NO ISSUE enjoying the fruits of Unionism.

 

[iluvaa]

if the unions dont change from the way they prestently operate what is the point of having a union and yes i am a union member what have they done for us lately

 

[North by Northwest]

if the unions dont change from the way they prestently operate what is the point of having a union and yes i am a union member what have they done for us lately

I am assuming you work for AA, that being said, without your Union, you'd be working for non union rates at low cost Delta.(the ones Delta management likes to brag about)

 

[Danny Campbell]

Ch. 12:

Let me tell you where you are missing a few things here.

First, AFA is a 'non-profit' organization. Unlike airline corporations, or the anti-union lawfirms they employ, we are not motivated by MONEY, nor do increases in membership cause anybody's salary to increase. Take me, for example -- I was driving a 1999 Jeep Wrangler when I raised my hand to help the Delta FAs and will still be driving it after the campaign is over. My point; THERE IS NO FINANCIAL BENEFIT. You see, a car salesman gets a 'commission'. On the other hand, what I do get, is the honor of welcoming 14,000 fellow FAs into our union, and the security of knowing that if we merge with Delta, I won't have to worry that our executives will NOW SUCCEED in the outsourcing scheme they attempted 2 years ago. FYI - NWA attempted to oursource 75% of all of our international flying to low-cost foreign FAs, thereby eliminated nearly 45% of our US based jobs. With no union on the property, it clears the way for them to FINISH that plan -- and start one of the last "race to the bottom" trends in our industry. Thankfully, AFA was here to stop it from happening during the last attempt.

Finally, you completely missed the point about how we are "reimbursed" in AFA instead of earning any "salary". Let me put it to you this way. Because I have been working full-time on organizing campaigns for AFA, I have actually LOST about 6k - 8k in 2007 because I receive ONLY lost flight hours (not per diem, not any other premiums [if you are not a FA, this won't make any sense to you - but I know the Delta FAs will understand what I mean]. So, instead of working 15 - 20 days per month, I am working 30days per month - and I am doing it for 8k LESS than if I was flying the line. So, please spare me with the "financial motivation' non-sense. There are people in the world who are not motivated by the all-mighty dollar.

P.S. The airline rankings stand on their own merits. You are the person who made the sweeping (unsubstantiated) claim that we are all 'miserable' - I merely pointed out that it obviously doesn't play out in customer satisfaction. If you have evidence to support your claim, produce it -- otherwise, accept that your comments are simply one person's uneducated opinion.