Injunction is out

[HPearlyretiree]

Do you mean this one:

"from USAPA to US Airways’s pilots who are
engaging in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations,"

The problem with that statement is that even some of us that were not "engaging" were accused of it. What if the company accuses a west pilot of "engaging" if they are not doing what they want?

As far as the vote, answer the question. Why is that so hard for you?

The West pilots didn't engage in it, which is why it was so easy to prove that it was the East pilots pulling their shenanigans.

 

[Move2CLT]

The West pilots didn't engage in it, which is why it was so easy to prove that it was the East pilots pulling their shenanigans.

There's your answer Pi. And no sense arguing the PI. It is written in stone. USAPAs lawyers told Cleary to STFU.

 

[Move2CLT]

The FAA lets this place operate because Randy Babbitt is in charge of the FAA. Randy Babbitt was alpa president. Randy Babbitt had help in getting employment after his Eastern pilot job went away. Randy Babbitt is yesterdays USA320, Stockholm Syndrome. Randy Babbitt feels allegiance to alpa who helped him get his job. alpa was voted out after 80 years by the US Airways pilots, his silence in this matter is deafening.

I am bookmarking this to use when a complication happens, Randy Babbitt.

This guy can't be for real can he? Another stunted eastie.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Do you mean this one:

"from USAPA to US Airways’s pilots who are
engaging in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations,"

That's from the right post, so I guess you could be said to be warm, but barely.

As far as the vote, answer the question. Why is that so hard for you?

It's a stupid question, which probably means you think you're being oh so clever asking it. Now you want an answer so you can pounce. The east has about 2 votes for every west vote, assuming about equal % of MIGS on both sides (and I have no idea if that's true - I'd guess the east has a higher % of MIGS). Whatever the issue being voted on, 2 votes trumps one every time. The west just can't outvote the east, even if you let half of the westies vote twice.

I guess there is another explanation - you're saying "We're poor downtrodden easties. If you westies cast your 1000-1200 votes as a block we're helpless since we only have 2500+ votes."

Jim

 

[767jetz]

You see jetz, East pilots are not acting like this is the Autobahn or trying to pass a semi truck on a Florida interstate with a pregnant woman in the passenger seat.

They are taking things slow and cautious.

Capice, Kojak.

???

Oh Nos/Sum/Clax/Apollo... as usual you out yourself once again.

You going to run and hide when again when your approval rating gets low enough, and resurrect under yet another name?

Once again... I TOLD YOU SO.

 

[767jetz]

And the great Pollo will be there as chicken dinner!

Are you EVER right? LOL

Apollo is simmering tonight with the bad news handed to him and his cohorts. His keyboard is in overdrive!

 

[Pi brat]

sounding a bit defensive for someone that "expected it".
Jim

A perfect Jimism. Throw a little something out there that looks like you are questioning a poster, but leave yourself a little room so you can deny it.

Here's one of my posts to jetz:

767jetz, on 31 July 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This has nothing to do with "doing something illegal" wrt company policies or FAR's. This has to so with an illegal work action. All they have to do is prove that there was a concerted effort to slow down or hurt the company and it's game over. The text messages alone is enough to prove that. The charts and data just support the argument. A half dozen pilots trying to influence the rest in the name of getting a contract or fighting a seniority dispute is all it takes. Trust me. UA is already on this road with the injunction due to a half dozen pilots. USAPA is toast if the company goes after damages.



Pi brat said:


I think you are right, and as you said it has happened before.

So, when it happened at UA did it make you straighten up, fly right and be happy in your job? Did it motivate you to excel? Cause I have to be honest jetz, from the jumpseat riders I've had, you guys seem like the most miserable pilot group in the industry.

So, US may be successful in dropping the hammer, only to finish off the job of demoralizing and disenfranchising most of it pilots.

I suggest a different road for our management. That they call a time out. Say "Yeah, let's have on open forum for our LINE PILOTS to air their concerns. Nope, they decided to take a different road. Oh well.

 

[apollo]

Apollo is simmering tonight with the bad news handed to him and his cohorts. His keyboard is in overdrive!

Bad news for a pilot would be that the IRS found out that they live in one area and claimed a tax base in another.

 

[Reed Richards]

Sad day for the union and the East pilots today. I am embarrassed. I just don’t see any way to put a positive spin on a court ordered injunction. And it would appear from the woefully inadequate comm. put out a few hours ago that Cleary and Theuer still think there is some “play” left with the Judge. Better fly the aircraft guys, all else is trivial. This is big boy stuff. Cross the injunction with stupid inaction, and you are facing possible personal sanctions, at your own expense, outside the RLA protections (for lack of a better word.)

Next shoe to fall will be Cleary’s “ego” case in NY, paid for by dues we don’t have. That will be followed shortly by the NMB parking us in negotiations. What was Cleary thinking, blind siding the Mediator with that filing? The NMB does not like surprises, and they sure are not going to release anyone to strike with this type of misguided lawsuits being brought. Seham "told you so."

The really sad thing is there is indeed a problem with the safety culture here at US Airways. I am not sure it poses an immediate threat to safety, but we are setting ourselves up for later problems. Professionally, we all (the entire Company) could have benefited from a resolution of the safety culture problems. But there were those that saw it as an opportunity to do some really stupid and observable actions. And then our own union sits by and watches as a couple of soldiers get whacked for not doing distance learning. Tragic. You would have thought McKee could have “made a call” a few days before the deadline and gotten a list of names to warn. Guess he was too busy writing hate mail to the Company every Saturday night. Yeah, I hate them too, but again, flying the airplane comes first, and allowing some good folks to walk into the propeller for show is inexcusable. Plastering a photo of one pilot’s family in campaign emails was a low point in USAPA. Sure you will all jump on my low point reference.

LOA 93 will probably be a loss, but the actual decision is not out. As I have said before, the West will know first exactly when it is finished. But they (also) have their own malcontents playing games with false bravado on the win/loss bragging rights. You can be sure Cleary will overplay any win, no matter how small when it comes out. He cannot help himself.

Silver could speak any day, but as Parker has accurately said (and he has brilliantly controlled the timeline by filing that case) we are years away from a contract.

As a good friend of mine keeps saying, "Santa aint coming anytime soon, and if he does it won’t be enough." Especially since Rocky and Bullwinkle down at Woodlawn keep shooting at the reindeer.

RR

 

[88 B.T.D.]

This ruling is really a bad thing for anyone associated with this company. Any metal gets bent with injuries in the next year or so, and the company is now liable in writing for pushing it's crews to fly fatigued and or with known maintenance issues. Not an easy one to overcome financially or prejudicially.

 

[cynic]

Not anyone on our seniority list

No, I swear. There are actually a few good people on the list. Not all of them are reactionary drama queens.

 

[Pi brat]

It's a stupid question, which probably means you think you're being oh so clever asking it. Now you want an answer so you can pounce. The east has about 2 votes for every west vote, assuming about equal % of MIGS on both sides (and I have no idea if that's true - I'd guess the east has a higher % of MIGS). Whatever the issue being voted on, 2 votes trumps one every time. The west just can't outvote the east, even if you let half of the westies vote twice.

I guess there is another explanation - you're saying "We're poor downtrodden easties. If you westies cast your 1000-1200 votes as a block we're helpless since we only have 2500+ votes."

Jim

Have you always been an arrogant Pxxxx, or did it take you the whole 60 whatever years to get here? You're close with the last sentence, but you added your Jimism with the "We're poor downtrodden easties", as I never said that. My point is, if there are two east candidates(I think only an east guys can win), and the west votes in a block, they can rule the vote. The east is highly divided. We have the diehard USAPA, the USAPA members that aren't too happy with it's direction, the non-members and the apathetic. I believe Cleary was elected with around votes from only about 40% of active pilots, so if the west votes in a block, I think they can carry it. I'm trying to see if DreaminofCLT and Res Jud's feeling are reflective of the majority of the west. If it is, there is no use in trying anything different.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Have you always been an arrogant Pxxxx, or did it take you the whole 60 whatever years to get here? You're close with the last sentence, but you added your Jimism with the "We're poor downtrodden easties", as I never said that. My point is, if there are two east candidates(I think only an east guys can win), and the west votes in a block, they can rule the vote. The east is highly divided. We have the diehard USAPA, the USAPA members that aren't too happy with it's direction, the non-members and the apathetic. I believe Cleary was elected with around votes from only about 40% of active pilots, so if the west votes in a block, I think they can carry it. I'm trying to see if DreaminofCLT and Res Jud's feeling are reflective of the majority of the west. If it is, there is no use in trying anything different.

Such anger, he clearly owns you.

 

[Pi brat]

Such anger, he clearly owns you.

Clearly. Thanks for your always helpful insight.

Silly me, trying to see a way out of this.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Clearly. Thanks for your always helpful insight.

Silly me, trying to see a way out of this.

The way out of it was to ask for binding arbitration, agreeing to what the arbiter said.

Oh, wait, everyone did that....except the East.

Its your careers you ruined, enjoy LOA 93, you earned it.