Is the IAM strong enough to stand like UAW

[Couldbewrong23]

Ok i read everything, if im not reading this right, but what level section are we at, i understand all the processes, just trying to see how far down the ladder we are to a strike?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Teamsters transportation haulers have said they will not cross the UAW picket line.

That's the Teamsters.

 

[PayParity]

I read English. The last couple posts are confusing to the new Americans. Again! Do we have the right to strike under Section 6 of the Twu under the RlA. Is there no one on this post that has taken into the rules of the union members. That! in it's self tells us that we need a UNION that delegates explicit! rules as to what we CAN or CAN NOT DO! The IAM is not for us! Who IS!.

The TWU no longer represents the West Fleet service and no longer administers the West's CBA. The TWU's certification was extinguished by the NMB. So forget about them. End game for the TWU.

NMB determination

So if your question is do we (West) have the right to strike under section Section 6 of the RLA, 45 USC § 156 as of this minute? The answer is CAN NOT DO legally because the negotiation and mediation procedures of the RLA have been not exhausted. If and only if the negotiation and mediation procedures of the RLA have been exhausted and you have been released from mediation by the NMB to seek "self help" CAN you legally strike.

Remember the Company would also be released from mediation and able to seek self-help up to and including imposing new CBA terms and employee lockouts.

Can you seek "self help"? Sure but it would be illegal and the courts can intervene and fine.

It is pretty simple cut and dry answer.

The East and West CBA's are administered by the IAM. The TWU is history

Not crossing a picket line is not the same as be released from section 6 under the RLA and striking.

 

[usjacket]

NO! :angry:

 

[PayParity]

Ok i read everything, if im not reading this right, but what level section are we at, i understand all the processes, just trying to see how far down the ladder we are to a strike?

Good question.

The TWU and Company were in the negotiation phase. On January 18, 2006 The TWU said "The Local 580 Executive Board and Negotiating team have unanimously voted to file for Federal Mediation with regards to our stalled Section 6 negotiations with America West Airlines. The Executive Board has been frustrated with the progress in securing wage, benefit and work rule improvements and job security protections"

But on January 31, 2006 the TWU said "The National Mediation Board (NMB) ruled today that US Airways and America West is a single carrier. We have until February 13th to file for a representational election with the NMB and show that the TWU has sufficient interest"

Then on May 9, 2006 the TWU withdrew its application with the National Mediation Board (NMB) seeking representation rights for the merged workforce" of Fleet service

On May 11, 2006 it was official the TWU was gone by NMB determination.

On September 1, 2006, 2006 an interim transition agreement between the Company and IAM was agreed to.

Did the TWU ever get a chance to file for mediation or has the the IAM? I do not think so.

 

[PayParity]

You would never be able to hide such a concerted effort. The Airlines would have wind of it and seek fast act TRO'ers and a presidential executive order. The unions and/or employees would never be wlling to take action knowing full well the consequences of their actions. i.e fines and damages. But you can dream all kinds of what if's

ALPA fined 45 Million

 

[fanlube]

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😱 Dang man the IAM had hoped everyone had forgotten about that crossing the picket line thing! Thanks for bringing it back up!

 

[700UW]

The fine was not collected because APA gave hundreds of millions in concessions to AA.

And it would never happen as it bankrupt the unions, the non-union airlines would still be flying and you would never get all the workers at all the airlines to strike.

And if you wildcat you will be terminated and most of all it is against the law and violates all the CBAs.

 

[PayParity]

No I never stopped to think that and I don't think that a "mere mention" would do anything. Besides who would be doing the "mere mention"? Where would this person or agency get the credibility and authority to speak for all the workers taking unlawful action?

You can give all kinds of reasons why it could be done and that nothing could be done to prevent it and nothing could be done in the aftermath of it happening but you know as well as I do it is a pipedream.

 

[PayParity]

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😱 Dang man the IAM had hoped everyone had forgotten about that crossing the picket line thing! Thanks for bringing it back up!

True the IAM people and everyone else that crossed the picket line to do the struck work at NWA were and are scabs. Which is different from just crossing a picket line to do your own work which is only protected by USAirways unions CBA's if the picket line is a USAirways union picket line.

Regarding the 1992 strike " The pilots' union, the Airline Pilots Assocation, had already agreed to give concessions to USAir and was not honoring picket lines.

The machinists were dealt a second blow when a court ordered the flight attendants' union, which had wanted to honor picket lines, to remain on duty.