JETSETTER USA/INTL
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Will us airways ever use the 767 to PHX or LAX or fly PHX SJU? And when if any will PHX see the A330 or A332 in the next 2 years
Is US Airways ever...
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No, No, and Never
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Both LH and LT have operated to Phoenix in the past, though neither had any significant connecting feed to rely on (LH ran the service from 2001-2004). With the presence of US in PHX now, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of US launching PHX-FRA within the next two or three years.
The trip costs are much higher on the 767 than a 321 or 757 and there aren't that many more seats. That makes it hard to generate the extra revenue needed to cover the higher trip cost of the 767. If they start to operate widebody flights from PHX the need to rotate aircraft will likely result in some A330 transcon from PHL or CLT. It will be for operational purposes though, not due to demand.
They said in the press release Tokyo will be served by 2012 probably and I emphasize the word propbably from Phx- my bet is it will get served from Philly if it ever gets served at all. It was curious the way they worded that statement
I don't know how PHX-MBJ is performing, but if it is performing well I would love to see SJU and other Caribbean cities come online out of PHX. As a native Californian I know that Hawaii and the Mexico are the destinations of choice for beach frolickers, so I doubt if there is enough demand to sustain wide body service to the Caribbean.
The A350 will not be on property by 2012, it will have to be operated by A332 from PHX unless they operate it with weight restrictions.
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I wouldn't expect to see any widebody service out of Phoenix any time soon, maybe in a couple of years, although that is what we were saying a couple of years ago too anyways. Although the old widebody payloaders left over from the days when HP was servicing BA and HA are in the process of being repainted/(repaired?) at the hangar; though it's more likely they just need repainted.
PHX has all the equipment and gates necessary to service widebody AC, I just don't think it currently has the volumes or profitability to sustain widebody ops although this could change in the future...
PHX has all the equipment and gates necessary to service widebody AC, I just don't think it currently has the volumes or profitability to sustain widebody ops although this could change in the future...
When the Pilots come under ONE Contract it will become possible, but until then....NEVER
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PHX-MBJ is not in the system after 16Aug10 (no restart date shown in Dec either), does that answer your question? 😛
In general your theory is correct - most west coasts folks aren't going to fly all the way to the Caribbean when Mexico or Hawaii are closer because to most people, a beach is a beach. The same holds true for many east coasters and Hawaii (partially why CLT-HNL failed). Those that are dead set on going to the Caribbean from the west (or to the smaller HI islands from the east) will endure a double connect.
It's possible TODAY bro.. The west pilots already have a side letter in their contract to fly 330's.
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Only A330s that aren't on the order list, Bro. The one's on the list are strictly for east pilots per the TA until a joint contract. Take a look at the attachments to the TA and see how far out those orders go.
Actually if any future A332 US deliveries (2011+) were ordered with the recently released HGW option (A330-200HGW), it would likely have little problem at MTOW with PHL-NRT - using a classical PHL-Alaska-NRT routing. PHX-NRT on the other hand could be a problem with the non-HGW 332, because of airport geography and surface temperatures. Anyone know if any 332 HGWs have been ordered by US ??
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Personally I think PHX is just waiting to come into its own. It's a long ways from being a massive town out in the desert to a modern semi-international destination and place of business. Currently I don't think the environment is ripe for widebody service but I would like to submit the following for consideration:
So no, I don't think the situation is quite yet ready for sustained US widebody service out of PHX but I don't think those days are too far off; in two-three years I would expect it to become more likely and in five-ten a near certainty, even if we're only talking routes to Tokyo, London, and Frankfurt. A lot of people are quick to dis or discount PHX but it may very well be a market worth occupying until it comes into maturity,..
- In 10-20 years the desert between PHX metro and TUS metro may very well disappear, creating a southwest population center with 6-7,000,000 souls. A lot of the major freeways have just been widened or are in the process of being so; even with the housing bubble and economic slump all long term expectations are for continued growth.
- PHX is already grooming a designated reliever airport, Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (AZA) which Allegiant currently operates out of. Regardless of who will be operating them, there is an expectation in the Valley that cargo and passenger air services will grow with business and population. Construction on the people mover at Sky Harbor is ahead of schedule and seeing that aircraft will apparently be taxiing under it they've closed one of the taxiways to work on the elevated track.
- PHX is attracting or already hosts a lot of 21st century businesses, including biotech, biomedical, computer hardware, aerospace, solar energy, and nuclear energy, in addition to the existing old school trades of agribusiness, mining, ecology, etc. Who hangs out in the Valley of the Sun? Just a few mom and pop outfits like Intel, Motorola, General Dynamics, GM, Boeing, Honeywell, US Airways (lol), Bank of America, ON Semiconductor, First Solar (across the lake from the sandcastle) etc. etc.
- The other day I counted four cranes among the towers of the PHX skyline. There are another two off I-10 and the US60 interchange, building what I'm not sure...Downtown Tempe is also developing rapidly...
So no, I don't think the situation is quite yet ready for sustained US widebody service out of PHX but I don't think those days are too far off; in two-three years I would expect it to become more likely and in five-ten a near certainty, even if we're only talking routes to Tokyo, London, and Frankfurt. A lot of people are quick to dis or discount PHX but it may very well be a market worth occupying until it comes into maturity,..
