JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Who's calling for anarchy?

Doesn't matter actually. Can't figure out what you're doing since you're always so vague?

Kind of wishy washy if you ask me.

 

[Kev3188]

Doesn't matter actually.

Actually, it does.

You made the comment, so surely you had something in mind. What was it?

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, it does.
You made the comment, so surely you had something in mind. What was it?

Basically I already said it too many times to count now.

You're the wrong advocate for labor or for your coworkers for that matter.

Now I'd like to get back into the topic of "MY" negotiations, thank you.

 

[Kev3188]

Basically I already said it too many times to count now.
You're the wrong advocate for labor or for your coworkers for that matter.
Now I'd like to get back into the topic of "MY" negotiations, thank you.

Maybe, maybe not.

What is certain is that new thinking and new ideas are essential if labor is going to improve its standing in this country.

That's not "anarchy," that's adapting in order to succeed.

And to keep it topical (you're welcome), one of the ways to create leverage for workers is to get out from under outdated things like DB plans, and move to compensation plans that transfer control away from the C-Suite and back to the rank and file.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Maybe, maybe not.
What is certain is that new thinking and new ideas are essential if labor is going to improve its standing in this country.
That's not "anarchy," that's adapting in order to succeed.
And to keep it topical (you're welcome), one of the ways to create leverage for workers is to get out from under outdated things like DB plans, and move to compensation plans that transfer control away from the C-Suite and back to the rank and file.

Very well put.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Weez, looks like he gave you the equalinvent of a punch in the nose!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nothing personal really since we all know in your own mind you are an expert on multiple matters but perhaps it would be more prudent to hire a Financial expert who has an MBA in Business and provide the firm he runs all pertinent information and documentation in regards to the fund and its current and future assets and liabilities? And let them make a video.
I mean if you're going to provide myself and my Brothers and Sisters financial advice would you please provide this Board your qualifications for being able to do so?
What is your educational attainment? Do you have a Degree in Finance?
To be able to make this very important decision if you're going to publicly display your opinion on the matter I think it's prudent and maybe imperative that we all know you are an expert in this field to provide advice.

I would prefer the iam reps give the proper information but they really simply dont understand it, even though it isnt complex. Im not saying thats because they have ged or little to no education, i just believe its because they just parrot what they are told and dress up this iampf skank plan like a christmas tree.
I dont claim any credibility and people can watch the video for information. I do have a bachelor's degree in business and 700 is funny saying i have a theology degree.
Not that any of that matters, as the iampf is fairly simple to unpack and the plan is objective with fixed history and fixed plan documents.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe, maybe not.
What is certain is that new thinking and new ideas are essential if labor is going to improve its standing in this country.
That's not "anarchy," that's adapting in order to succeed.
And to keep it topical (you're welcome), one of the ways to create leverage for workers is to get out from under outdated things like DB plans, and move to compensation plans that transfer control away from the C-Suite and back to the rank and file.

Oh you mean Union (member) controlled Pensions then?

Wow I thought that's what you didn't want.

Anyway thanks for the advice but I'm not interested too much in unsolicited advice from someone who's not in a Union or the Labor movement for that matter either shelling out to those of us who are.

Still can't figure that out yet huh?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, looks like he gave you the equalinvent of a punch in the nose!

Bob you're in a Union. Your opinions are appreciated. And my nose is fine except during allergy season.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh you mean Union (member) controlled Pensions then?

Wow I thought that's what you didn't want.

Anyway thanks for the advice but I'm not interested too much in unsolicited advice from someone who's not in a Union or the Labor movement for that matter either shelling out to those of us who are.

Still can't figure that out yet huh?

No. Any pension that is then held over the rank and file's head.

And it's not "advice," and I'm not posting only to you.

You should be able to figure that out...

 

[WeAAsles]

No. Any pension that is then held over the rank and file's head.
And it's not "advice," and I'm not posting only to you.
You should be able to figure that out...

Yea you and your buddy are advocating against me and mine making up our own minds and having our own "individual" choice.

You and your friend want us to have only ONE option "no choice"

That's where I have the biggest problem with you and say butt out of OUR business.

You have far more than enough of your own problems and then some in YOUR house.

 

[Kev3188]

The "choice" is to either keep doing what has always been done and hope for the best, or evolve and take back some of the ground lost over our lifetime.

And you're half correct; AA is certainly "your house," but in this industry, what happens in one absolutely affects the others.

And on this board, there are no doors; people can move from room to room as they see fit.

You've been around long enough to have that figured out.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I have a option of my own. I was able to go to the IAMPF site and plugged in the hypothetical numbers and came away extremely disappointed. What I'm advocating for is it not to be offered period! The this talk from everyone leads me to the conclusion that it's a disaster and should be avoided like the plague. To be a member, you have to pay your union dues to the IAM. Simple math here folks. IAM dues are $80+ dollars a month, to get a $600 monthly check. And that's $80+ for the same representation. BTY that's $600 for 35 years of service. Everyone should be shouting for a bigger paycheck and let the individual best choose the path to retirement.

 

[WeAAsles]

The "choice" is to either keep doing what has always been done and hope for the best, or evolve and take back some of the ground lost over our lifetime.
And you're half correct; AA is certainly "your house," but in this industry, what happens in one absolutely affects the others.
And on this board, there are no doors; people can move from room to room as they see fit.
You've been around long enough to have that figured out.

What a load of malarkey. Hard to believe you're as much a Troll as the ones that follow you on YOUR thread and the guy who was the biggest board PITA.

And if your comment were true we would have Ready Reserve breathing down our necks like you have. We do not have any RR in case you haven't noticed. I'll reserve an employee application for you when they finally get to you.

Yea that is the most fun about Forums. Trolls can poke their nose in any where they want I guess.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have a option of my own. I was able to go to the IAMPF site and plugged in the hypothetical numbers and came away extremely disappointed. What I'm advocating for is it not to be offered period! The this talk from everyone leads me to the conclusion that it's a disaster and should be avoided like the plague. To be a member, you have to pay your union dues to the IAM. Simple math here folks. IAM dues are $80+ dollars a month, to get a $600 monthly check. And that's $80+ for the same representation. BTY that's $600 for 35 years of service. Everyone should be shouting for a bigger paycheck and let the individual best choose the path to retirement.

And since you are a member and have a voice and a vote I respect your opinion. I may not personally agree with it but you do currently pay dues to have a voice that should be heard.