JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

No I would rather you post the PDF link that states clearly that the Association has signed off and accepted the Profit Sharing promise from the company.

Can you provide that (?) or are we just supposed to go with the age old and misused and abused phrase:

"Trust me"

 
You can discount everything I share, your prerogative.
 
The Profit Sharing will be based on earnings. You want to take that, go ahead. You don't want to take that, go ahead. Either way, it won't change the outcome.

 

[WeAAsles]

You can discount everything I share, your prerogative.
 
The Profit Sharing will be based on earnings. You want to take that, go ahead. You don't want to take that, go ahead. Either way, it won't change the outcome.

I'm not discounting what you share. I merely want to see that in writing specified for us and signed off on or an update by the Association in writing that they have accepted the offer.

I don't know why you are getting defensive about it when one of the core tenants I've known since I ever took an interest in Unions was make sure you get that in writing. And it was also something my Mother taught me as well.

Maybe you're trying to say that you were told it has been accepted? Were you told that it was accepted and signed off on? If you were and you say that I'll give it some more credibility then.

 

[WeAAsles]

NYer if you come back with yes that is what you were told, maybe you're in a sharing mood?

How about giving us all the juicy tidbits of details of what they've TA'd so far? We're all autonomous within the TWU so how about giving us a little more than the Association puts out publicly? Shouldn't be an issue wouldn't you think (?)

They did TA some good Articles that we're just dieing to know details on.

 

[NYer]

I'm not discounting what you share. I merely want to see that in writing specified for us and signed off on or an update by the Association in writing that they have accepted the offer.

I don't know why you are getting defensive about it when one of the core tenants I've known since I ever took an interest in Unions was make sure you get that in writing. And it was also something my Mother taught me as well.

Maybe you're trying to say that you were told it has been accepted? Were you told that it was accepted and signed off on? If you were and you say that I'll give it some more credibility then.

 
Ha! Thanks but not thanks, I don't need you to give me credibility, to accept or approve anything I say. You can either take it or leave, either is fine with me.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ha! Thanks but not thanks, I don't need you to give me credibility, to accept or approve anything I say. You can either take it or leave, either is fine with me.

Don't worry about me. I'm more than cool. But right now at this moment you have 26 readers and countless others who come on here to read.

C'mon. Spill the beans. What's going on?

 

[NYer]

NYer if you come back with yes that is what you were told, maybe you're in a sharing mood?

How about giving us all the juicy tidbits of details of what they've TA'd so far? We're all autonomous within the TWU so how about giving us a little more than the Association puts out publicly? Shouldn't be an issue wouldn't you think (?)

They did TA some good Articles that we're just dieing to know details on.

 
I bet the one letter you don't have to look down to type is that question mark. Seems like your favorite.

 

[NYer]

Don't worry about me. I'm more than cool. But right now at this moment you have 26 readers and countless others who come on here to read.

C'mon. Spill the beans. What's going on?

 
No pdf's, I guess I can't contribute anymore. =(

 

[bob@las-AA]

 
You can discount everything I share, your prerogative.
 
The Profit Sharing will be based on earnings. You want to take that, go ahead. You don't want to take that, go ahead. Either way, it won't change the outcome.

 
As far as the old plan it was based on your base yearly salary. If that formula is to be used, we are getting screwed, verses equal share for all.
The formula gives a person with a yearly wage of $50,107.20 gets a check for $2001.87.
A equal check for all would come to $3805.00
So yes I would like to know, from AAL just how the money is dived up at year's end.

 

[WeAAsles]

No pdf's, I guess I can't contribute anymore. =(

I love your contributions actually. Just wish you weren't so shy to share what you seem to be saying you know. Why?

You're autonomous aren't you? You can do or say whatever you want.

If you know lots of things, c'mon let it fly.

 

[NYer]

 
As far as the old plan it was based on your base yearly salary. If that formula is to be used, we are getting screwed, verses equal share for all.
The formula gives a person with a yearly wage of $50,107.20 gets a check for $2001.87.
A equal check for all would come to $3805.00
So yes I would like to know, from AAL just how the money is dived up at year's end.

 
If you want to know what AA believes, here is an answer to their Q&A when they made the announcement of the Profit Sharing coming back.
 
"Will the payout be uniform among everyone in the pool or will it vary by wage?"
 
"It will be a percentage of your salary. The plan calls for 5% of pre-tax earnings (before profit sharing is taken out) to be shared among all eligible participants. The methodology for calculating an individual employee’s distribution will be computed by taking profit sharing as a percentage of all eligible salaries and applying that percentage to an individual employee’s eligible earnings."

 

[NYer]

I love your contributions actually. Just wish you weren't so shy to share what you seem to be saying you know. Why?

You're autonomous aren't you? You can do or say whatever you want.

If you know lots of things, c'mon let it fly.

 
I know the Profit Sharing payout will be based on earnings.

 

[Worldport]

 
If you want to know what AA believes, here is an answer to their Q&A when they made the announcement of the Profit Sharing coming back.
 
"Will the payout be uniform among everyone in the pool or will it vary by wage?"
 
"It will be a percentage of your salary. The plan calls for 5% of pre-tax earnings (before profit sharing is taken out) to be shared among all eligible participants. The methodology for calculating an individual employee’s distribution will be computed by taking profit sharing as a percentage of all eligible salaries and applying that percentage to an individual employee’s eligible earnings."

I guess that makes you credible

 

[NYer]

 
As far as the old plan it was based on your base yearly salary. If that formula is to be used, we are getting screwed, verses equal share for all.
The formula gives a person with a yearly wage of $50,107.20 gets a check for $2001.87.
A equal check for all would come to $3805.00
So yes I would like to know, from AAL just how the money is dived up at year's end.

 
And Bob...this is how APFA explained it to their Members.
 
APFA Profit Sharing Plan

 

[Worldport]

Don't worry about me. I'm more than cool. But right now at this moment you have 26 readers and countless others who come on here to read.

C'mon. Spill the beans. What's going on?

Weez are you and NYer in the same city if so are your lockers close to one another?

 

[NYer]

 
As far as the old plan it was based on your base yearly salary. If that formula is to be used, we are getting screwed, verses equal share for all.
The formula gives a person with a yearly wage of $50,107.20 gets a check for $2001.87.
A equal check for all would come to $3805.00
So yes I would like to know, from AAL just how the money is dived up at year's end.

 
I agree, we get the short end of the stick. So can you see other groups volunteering to take less so we can get more? Hardly.