JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I want you to go to the IAMNPF website and look at the links for both Schedule A and Schedule B. On the bottom of the first page for Schedule B is this line,

*A custom benefit schedule may apply based upon actuarial review to groups of 10,000 or more employees.

http://mypension.iamnpf.org/national-pension-plan/contribution-rates.aspx

That line is NOT on the bottom of the page for the Schedule A formulas.

You see I actually think you're a good advocate for pushing for things, but you never seem to push for the RIGHT things. How many Association members are there Tim?

0. The only airline members on a custom schedule were united employees. They, like all of us, are now on schedule B.

Schedule A is extinct for actives.

Otherwise, not sure what you are referring to that i never push for right things??

Over the last 8 years i
1. Pushed unsuccessfully for a stand alone united agreement.
2. Negotiated $4 more an hour at united by doin a corporate campaign against smiseks jcba 1. This actually put $1 more in our pockets as well.
3. Pushed and secured democratic bylaw changes at the distri t and local level.
4. Pushed and secured member rights that were violated on many levels.
5. Pushed and secured every single organizing election i directed. The airtran one helped keep southwest from using them as scabs.

Ive been really successful in most of the things i have pushed for. Along the way i try to educate other items as a 30 year labor activists. Including fighting against misinformation and deceit involving the iampf. And of course advocating solidarity between the twu and iam by trying to get sito to stand up.

And there are times i stand down. For instance our 2014 contract and the creation of the association which i am an advocate of.

 

[WeAAsles]

Only if the TWU and Rosen is that corrupt and bought out. 90 yes 90 percent of twu mx is against it. Fleet side, not many are interested in anything at this point. If I'm reading it correctly on iam side of the contract, the ones who are informed, are mostly concerned about medical costs.

Hello me, nice to see me today. I hope I'm feeling well today? I'm certainly looking quite good as I already know about me.

Well it's been marvelous as always chatting with myself. Have a nice day me as of course I will.

 

[WeAAsles]

0. The only airline members on a custom schedule were united employees. They, like all of us, are now on schedule B.

Schedule A is extinct for actives.

Otherwise, not sure what you are referring to that i never push for right things??

Over the last 8 years i
1. Pushed unsuccessfully for a stand alone united agreement.
2. Negotiated $4 more an hour at united by doin a corporate campaign against smiseks jcba 1. This actually put $1 more in our pockets as well.
3. Pushed and secured democratic bylaw changes at the distri t and local level.
4. Pushed and secured member rights that were violated on many levels.
5. Pushed and secured every single organizing election i directed. The airtran one helped keep southwest from using them as scabs.

Ive been really successful in most of the things i have pushed for. Along the way i try to educate other items as a 30 year labor activists. Including fighting against misinformation and deceit involving the iampf. And of course advocating solidarity between the twu and iam by trying to get sito to stand up.

And there are times i stand down. For instance our 2014 contract and the creation of the association which i am an advocate of.

Nooooooooo. Stop your weird resumes you corker. It's weird!!!!

I'll make it simple for you. You're stuck with the IAMPF and you got sitting out there roughly 20,000 possible new participants.

Start pushing for a "customized scheduled payout" you doofus. Jeez Louise, SMH.

 

[WeAAsles]

Timmy if over 30,000 Participants are in the IAMNPF from only one single Employer, of course we can ask for a Customized Schedule.

And the new AA is going to bringing in lots of kids the next couple of years as us old fog hats transition out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Only if the TWU and Rosen is that corrupt and bought out. 90 yes 90 percent of twu mx is against it. Fleet side, not many are interested in anything at this point. If I'm reading it correctly on iam side of the contract, the ones who are informed, are mostly concerned about medical costs.

The iamnpf is a disaster and it will have to be cut again and again. Im goiing to expose it and the upcoming loss of benefits due to funding policies that have to happen. That said, most twu members will be ignorant enuf to jump right in this shitbox because the unions wont fully disclose. Im fine with twu members joining it provided they have a choice, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nooooooooo. Stop your weird resumes you corker. It's weird!!!!

I'll make it simple for you. You're stuck with the IAMPF and you got sitting out there roughly 20,000 possible new participants.

Start pushing for a "customized scheduled payout" you doofus. Jeez Louise, SMH.

The custom thing is from the past. The decision was made to bring the customs into B. Too many lawsuits when cuts are made. The plan ate $100 million to eliminate Uniteds custom. Not gonna happen but it was a good thouggt wees

 

[WeAAsles]

The custom thing is from the past. The decision was made to bring the customs into B. Too many lawsuits when cuts are made. The plan ate $100 million to eliminate Uniteds custom. Not gonna happen but it was a good thouggt wees

If you're right Tim then the Trustees should delete that sentence.

 

[P. REZ]

The iamnpf is a disaster and it will have to be cut again and again. Im goiing to expose it and the upcoming loss of benefits due to funding policies that have to happen. That said, most twu members will be ignorant enuf to jump right in this shitbox because the unions wont fully disclose. Im fine with twu members joining it provided they have a choice, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

Tim,

You are confusing everyone. In one post you say the IAMNPF is a disaster and no money should be put into it. You say multiple cuts will occur. Then you say in another post we should keep what we have and don't add any more to the pension. Then in another post, you say I hope LAA guys get into it to help your pension. How does that help if it is such a disaster? Then in another post you say the pension sucks.

Pensions are rare nowadays but as labor leaders, advocates we should just give up on them? The 3 legged stool consists of a pension, savings and social security. To be clear, the 401k falls under savings. So, as labor leaders, advocates we should go to a 2 legged stool? That is what your advocating? There are no simple answers and life throws curve balls at you constantly, but as a leader or advocate, you have to fight. The Corporate America conglomerate has won because they have pushed people into 401k's and shunned pensions and they have got many Americans believing their bullshit. Why did Boeing want to get rid of the pension and the employees fought so hard to keep? It costs Boeing more to have a pension. What if politicians are successful in slashing Social Security or privatizing it? One legged stool?

I don't have all the answers but the fight needs to be about working hard for 40-50 years and then enjoy retirement comfortably. It shouldn't be work 60-70 years and die.

I am only trying to do the right thing. Do you want me to give up and say, oh well, 2 legged or maybe 1 legged stool it is?

P. Rez

 

[anotherdelay]

Tim,

You are confusing everyone. In one post you say the IAMNPF is a disaster and no money should be put into it. You say multiple cuts will occur. Then you say in another post we should keep what we have and don't add any more to the pension. Then in another post, you say I hope LAA guys get into it to help your pension. How does that help if it is such a disaster? Then in another post you say the pension sucks.

Pensions are rare nowadays but as labor leaders, advocates we should just give up on them? The 3 legged stool consists of a pension, savings and social security. To be clear, the 401k falls under savings. So, as labor leaders, advocates we should go to a 2 legged stool? That is what your advocating? There are no simple answers and life throws curve balls at you constantly, but as a leader or advocate, you have to fight. The Corporate America conglomerate has won because they have pushed people into 401k's and shunned pensions and they have got many Americans believing their bullshit. Why did Boeing want to get rid of the pension and the employees fought so hard to keep? It costs Boeing more to have a pension. What if politicians are successful in slashing Social Security or privatizing it? One legged stool?

I don't have all the answers but the fight needs to be about working hard for 40-50 years and then enjoy retirement comfortably. It shouldn't be work 60-70 years and die.

I am only trying to do the right thing. Do you want me to give up and say, oh well, 2 legged or maybe 1 legged stool it is?

P. Rez[/QUOTE

Prez wake the fudge up. 50 percent of your iam mx don't like it either. 90 percent of twu mx, want nothing to do with it. This association was forced down our throats because of it. You guys are mandating it in negotiations. Fact. Half the board calls your bs on it, wake up, but you weren't even elected by your own hub, and its also known you are hated by the majority of your hub members, WHY? At least Charlie Brown has the people.

 

[anotherdelay]

Tim,

You are confusing everyone. In one post you say the IAMNPF is a disaster and no money should be put into it. You say multiple cuts will occur. Then you say in another post we should keep what we have and don't add any more to the pension. Then in another post, you say I hope LAA guys get into it to help your pension. How does that help if it is such a disaster? Then in another post you say the pension sucks.

Pensions are rare nowadays but as labor leaders, advocates we should just give up on them? The 3 legged stool consists of a pension, savings and social security. To be clear, the 401k falls under savings. So, as labor leaders, advocates we should go to a 2 legged stool? That is what your advocating? There are no simple answers and life throws curve balls at you constantly, but as a leader or advocate, you have to fight. The Corporate America conglomerate has won because they have pushed people into 401k's and shunned pensions and they have got many Americans believing their bullshit. Why did Boeing want to get rid of the pension and the employees fought so hard to keep? It costs Boeing more to have a pension. What if politicians are successful in slashing Social Security or privatizing it? One legged stool?

I don't have all the answers but the fight needs to be about working hard for 40-50 years and then enjoy retirement comfortably. It shouldn't be work 60-70 years and die.

I am only trying to do the right thing. Do you want me to give up and say, oh well, 2 legged or maybe 1 legged stool it is?

P. Rez

I'm fighting for the younger guys that are going to have pt/ready reserve due to the iampf. those guys are going to be stuck, with the three legged stool jammed up their keister and not even benefit from it. DUE Diligence.

 

[anotherdelay]

i copied and pasted but someone did a great job exposing this iampf scam ponzi here.

With the iampf your guaranteed 40 hours contribution if you work the 40 hours.
If you CS off 1 or 2 days in that week then you only get contributions of hours worked. If you exceed worked hours totalling 40 hours you only get 40 hours.
If you make up the 1 or 2 days you CS off from the week before you will not get those contributal hours back. 40 hours max is all you get and you have to work them straight time. Overtime, holidays and CS working like picking up a double will not get you more contributions into the pension. As far as part time employees I don't know the rules because I did not inquire about it since aircraft maintenance has no part time workers (yet). If your a commuter and work doubles then the iampf will screw you over big time.
We all know how much better the current 401K plan is even though the TWU negotiated the worse one of the three union groups. We need to improve on the 401K and yet the association is pushing to go the other way for the benefit of the iampf instead of its members. We need to get rid of this association and the twu. They have lost touch with the membership and the membership has no confidence in the twu.

put the third leg in weaasles weaasle

 

[anotherdelay]

If you're right Tim then the Trustees should delete that sentence.

Good God. What in the hell is wrong with the TWU?

 

[anotherdelay]

Tim,

You are confusing everyone. In one post you say the IAMNPF is a disaster and no money should be put into it. You say multiple cuts will occur. Then you say in another post we should keep what we have and don't add any more to the pension. Then in another post, you say I hope LAA guys get into it to help your pension. How does that help if it is such a disaster? Then in another post you say the pension sucks.

Pensions are rare nowadays but as labor leaders, advocates we should just give up on them? The 3 legged stool consists of a pension, savings and social security. To be clear, the 401k falls under savings. So, as labor leaders, advocates we should go to a 2 legged stool? That is what your advocating? There are no simple answers and life throws curve balls at you constantly, but as a leader or advocate, you have to fight. The Corporate America conglomerate has won because they have pushed people into 401k's and shunned pensions and they have got many Americans believing their bullshit. Why did Boeing want to get rid of the pension and the employees fought so hard to keep? It costs Boeing more to have a pension. What if politicians are successful in slashing Social Security or privatizing it? One legged stool?

I don't have all the answers but the fight needs to be about working hard for 40-50 years and then enjoy retirement comfortably. It shouldn't be work 60-70 years and die.

I am only trying to do the right thing. Do you want me to give up and say, oh well, 2 legged or maybe 1 legged stool it is?

P. Rez

Do the right thing for once and admit, it may be good intentions, but in the end its been mismanged, the corruption that was settled on it, is only the tip of the iceberg , and two you benefit selling it,3I don't have all the answers but the fight needs to be about working hard for 40-50 years and then enjoy retirement comfortably. It shouldn't be work 60-70 years and die.. that\s what the actuarials want, and that's what all the restrictions on the plan wants.4. 401k is a savings plan? huh? selective reasoning there. time for the dol too look into you, becaue there's no way the majority of the membership could vote for you. Hey join my pension, just ignore all the facts.. Dude the pension is underfunded, and a huge swath of members want nothing to do it with it. Shouldn't the people who pay the dues have a say in that?

anyone in the 40 to 50 year age group forced/mandated into this based on your acting as a representative for the fund should be able to sue you when they're 60.

 

[anotherdelay]

The custom thing is from the past. The decision was made to bring the customs into B. Too many lawsuits when cuts are made. The plan ate $100 million to eliminate Uniteds custom. Not gonna happen but it was a good thouggt wees

the people coaching him, aren't up to snuff today.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm fighting for the younger guys that are going to have pt/ready reserve due to the iampf. those guys are going to be stuck, with the three legged stool jammed up their keister and not even benefit from it. DUE Diligence.

Tim you've officially ran off the farm with your straight jacket dangling and your scraping your skin trying to push your way through the weeds man.

Get back on your meds Tim. Please. You're losing track of which personality said what now.