JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[CremaDiLimone]

It wasn't 33.00 dos. I can assure you of that.

and that was with losing your insurance?

why would anyone waste their time with that?

 

[charlie Brown]

and that was with losing your insurance?

why would anyone waste their time with that?

Good question!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Good question!!

Alright so not much more in wages and the more expensive medical. Where the hell did Parker hide that 400 Mil he was talking about?

Oh and it was pretty plain as day from watching Brian Parker and Gary Shiable hit Dougie Thursday that he wants many of us to turn out the lights at AA when we leave also.

 

[WeAAsles]

and that was with losing your insurance?

why would anyone waste their time with that?

Hey Crema thought I'd get you back to Terra Firma with this chart. Remember first Parker was saying (Pre PS) 7% above. Then (Post PS) he went down to 3% above. (Currently we're only 1% above)

So you can see the math.

UAL

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sorry ograc but that was the biggest show of Unity at AA that I've seen in my 22 years here bar none. The sign up sheet had over 3000 names on it for the entire day.

There was in attendance TWU, IAM, APA, APFA, CWA, IBT, AMFA and MORE. ALL putting aside any personal squabbles for a common goal.

You are ssssoooooo wrong here. The Company I heard expected at most maybe 300 people. Certainly not 3000. This event was pure UNITY and SOLIDARITY......

Stop supporting a card drive WeAAsles. And the solidarity meant so much that Sito C blocked negotiations the next week and put down the TWA hammer on prioritization matters. Not that I'm a big Sito fan because he is anti union as hell and right in the company's hip pocket. I applaud the TWU though in their efforts but it's TWA coming back to haunt them. Don't worry, you will get your new TA after re-enrollment...er......um......I think I just won another case I litigated, i.e., a new INTL election and got the Fake Election tossed out. Maybe that changes things again. Not until you understand that the new election I attained in 141 C Blocked Klemm and Sito from handing over our health care and has stalled negotiations will you ever learn that this isn't about the rogue TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king. I'm not a big Sidney fan but he has been the only one right about all of this, yet the other TWU Presidents are intimidated by him and you refuse to give him any credit for speaking the truth.

 

[WeAAsles]

Stop supporting a card drive WeAAsles. And the solidarity meant so much that Sito C blocked negotiations the next week and put down the TWA hammer on prioritization matters. Not that I'm a big Sito fan because he is anti union as hell and right in the company's hip pocket. I applaud the TWU though in their efforts but it's TWA coming back to haunt them. Don't worry, you will get your new TA after re-enrollment...er......um......I think I just won another case I litigated, i.e., a new INTL election and got the Fake Election tossed out. Maybe that changes things again. Not until you understand that the new election I attained in 141 C Blocked Klemm and Sito from handing over our health care and has stalled negotiations will you ever learn that this isn't about the rogue TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king. I'm not a big Sidney fan but he has been the only one right about all of this, yet the other TWU Presidents are intimidated by him and you refuse to give him any credit for speaking the truth.

Listen you self obsessed kook. Go take your pills
NOW!!!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, 700 spoke highly of Sito & O'Driscoll. What I don't get is if they did such great jobs in negotiations at TW why did they waive the LPPs and bring back concessionary agreement after concessionary agreement in TWs final years? Why didn't they call AAs bluff, they knew Carty wanted TW to eclipse UA/US and relieve ORD at the time.

Why does Sito get to stay and preside over the IAM if he isn't in an IAM shop? Did he retire from AA? Same story with Roach, why not get some new leadership in touch with the industry today.

Have you heard anything more about BA? The agents in BOS say they don't know what to expect but after DL 142 let management whack the single departure stations ATL, DFW, DEN, etc in the last agreement they aren't surprised.

Josh

Sito is anti union. PERIOD. Worse than Lorenzo. I don't want to talk about the TWA deal, all one needs to do is point to the scoreboard and it's easy for everyone to see that the TWA peeps all got liquidated thanks to Sito and Roach and Girly man Tiberi.

 

[Tim Nelson]

i realize that it may be professionally suicidal for elected and/or appointed iam negotiators to publicly say that they would consider bending on lus x laa medical...

...it may be palatable, if say, management is made aware of your vulnerable position(s) (elections in jan. '18??) and you counter with wage increases that are top-heavy at the start of the contract.

if the company acknowledges and is ok with fleet service topping out at $35.50/hr, earning $33.00 on date of signing should take much of the sting out of increased medical. for those legacy lus who believe that we will top out at $35.50 along with keeping their current medical, someone needs to explain the word, delusional, to them. that is more than out-of-line considering the weakness of unions in 2017 usa.

i don't argue and agree why not get it all. i won't say that is absurd...but, a very slim chance and ole slim just took the bus out of town.

the alternative is that the longer this drags on, the 2 parts of the assoc. may start eating each other with laa x lus employees taking militant sides.

June 2018. And as far as good health care, I think pilots didn't have a problem after they cashed in their health care for 16% 401k. I guess everything has a price for a majority.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know why some people assume all you used was the AA IAM and TWU books to formulate language. You had old CBA books, UAL and SWA that you could work off of also. Not to mention off the head original ideas as well.

And in many cases, using either book blows. Sometimes the best of both still sucks. For instance, who the hell still wants our PDO's? Your sick time sucks and so does ours. Your vacation sucks and so does ours. Your holidays suck and so does ours. So, maybe not "The Best of both" except for the goodies.

 

[Koolcat]

And in many cases, using either book blows. Sometimes the best of both still sucks. For instance, who the hell still wants our PDO's? Your sick time sucks and so does ours. Your vacation sucks and so does ours. Your holidays suck and so does ours. So, maybe not "The Best of both" except for the goodies.

For a guy who's never been at the table , you're very critical of those who are??

 

[737823]

Stop supporting a card drive WeAAsles. And the solidarity meant so much that Sito C blocked negotiations the next week and put down the TWA hammer on prioritization matters. Not that I'm a big Sito fan because he is anti union as hell and right in the company's hip pocket. I applaud the TWU though in their efforts but it's TWA coming back to haunt them. Don't worry, you will get your new TA after re-enrollment...er......um......I think I just won another case I litigated, i.e., a new INTL election and got the Fake Election tossed out. Maybe that changes things again. Not until you understand that the new election I attained in 141 C Blocked Klemm and Sito from handing over our health care and has stalled negotiations will you ever learn that this isn't about the rogue TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king. I'm not a big Sidney fan but he has been the only one right about all of this, yet the other TWU Presidents are intimidated by him and you refuse to give him any credit for speaking the truth.

Tim

Why is TWA holding up negotiations? That's done and closed for 15+ years now. I know the pilots still have various suits involving STL and the handful of TW guys with captains seats on the MIA 767 and FOs on 777s. The F/As were a staple job and that won't change; agents were also staple job and CWA has said in their recent agreement nothing is changing. Why should negotiations for 30k people get held up at most ~1000 TW across classifications?

Josh

 

[Albert]

Crema is talking $35.00 at the end of the contract. $33.00 DOS.

3% above DL Weez $30.15x3%=$31.05..........$31.05-$30.81 =.24
24cents and probably 55cents differential. Not worth getting a stroke over

 

[Talos]

First off, your talking to the wrong person if you think any of my decisions are based on a reelection in 2018. I've always said, whenever the membership doesn't want me representing them anymore, I'm fine going back to my job.
So to answer your question, would I consider bending on medical. This contract has to be a cost positive contract. Cost positive enough to where it is leading industry. I can assure you that on the latest offer by the company, they were getting no where close to 35.00 a hour. Keep in mind that we are already schedule to go to 30.81 in September. So my answer to you on the insurance would be, let me see the 35.00 a hour offer by the company, and then we will talk. But don't hold your breath, because the 35.00 a hour offer won't come from the company.

Your remarks are fair and reasonable. Of course Parker shot his mouth off a long time ago about Delta plus 7 and how he would take care of employees. It's clear to see that he was telling lies. A little information to the membership can go far to remove some of the bickering .

 

[WeAAsles]

3% above DL Weez $30.15x3%=$31.05..........$31.05-$30.81 =.24
24cents and probably 55cents differential. Not worth getting a stroke over

There would be a new pay scale that would take other known raises (UAL) into consideration.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Hey Crema thought I'd get you back to Terra Firma with this chart. Remember first Parker was saying (Pre PS) 7% above. Then (Post PS) he went down to 3% above. (Currently we're only 1% above)

So you can see the math.

UAL

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i wouldn't want to be beholden to words/promises spoken by parker x-amount of year(s) ago. out of all 3 remaining legacy carriers, ua has the highest top-out rate. there are also circumstances (profit sharing and shift differential) at dl & ua that only negatively compound our compensation when comparing.

a plain 3% more than ua is ridiculous. even if parker tinkers with profit sharing, the tinkering is set by the company and i would not accept any tinkering of profit sharing in lieu of more than 3% than ua.

so, to me..the elephant in the room is how much of a premium (more than 3% above ua) is aa willing to pay us in order to get all on laa insurance. how much does it mean to the company?

from the assoc perspective:

- what iam big-shooter is willing to tell iam voters than he is willing to bend on lus x laa insurance? i get that part.

- the assoc. may think they will sell themselves short if they offer to go with laa insurance for $33.00/hr DOS/$35.50 TOS and the company says, "where do we sign"?

you know it's going to all boil down to that. how much will we get in exchange for the more expensive insurance.