JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Tim that $2 hourly contribution from AA to the pension plan will bring us what monthly qualifier? Will we just go back to the old schedule like 70$ a month?

$2 takes it back to $85. But you and others just don't listen. It really doesn't matter because the pension cut is guaranteed to hit us again in the next 14 months if not a notice in the next 3 months. Most folks simply aren't educated and won't realize that their LUS health care will be liquidated into the IAM pension coffers and then they will rob our members again. People just don't listen, it doesn't matter how many times they are robbed because they put their wallet in their back pocket.....they still carry their wallet in the back pocket and get robbed by the union pension bosses.

The first cut will be a elimination of the unreduced pension plans, thus all of us will have to retire at 65 if we don't want penalties. Sad but people just don't listen. You have a few blowhards on here that bust my balls and blab their mouths about not giving up the LUS health care but they flip like pancakes and roll with their AGC's.

 

[Tim Nelson]

"kicked off the committee" I find that hilarious

admittedly, it was. I'm like, huh? really?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well I'm just trying to figure out who is the target of Tims hair standing on end? I know he likes Mark Baskett so I'm thinking he's after this guy Mike Fairbanks?

Tim who had the gall, the sheer audacity to remove you from your uncontested, appointed position? Darn weebles.

I'm really not after anyone. I just don't like BS in my breakroom. Last few times he came up here he said he would never give up LUS health care and would get us stronger part time language. It wasn't for me to call him a liar at that time so it all was good. Just saying that Sito will force him to agree to the AIP and give up our health care and he isn't a strong personality to fight Sito. I don't have a problem with Baskett although he hasn't made a difference on the eboard. I think he is an honest guy and wants the best but like a few others on the eboard, they simply can't do what they want to do otherwise they get fired. And to be sure, me and Baskett are at political opposites, he is with the establishment and I'm trying to change it. I don't hold that against him or anyone doing what they think is best. Fairbanks, otoh, is with the establishment and also pro management. Nice guy to talk to but just not a labor leader and is clueless.

 

[charlie Brown]

So we are not going to get back pay (retro) to the 12th?

There is no retro pay that's due, because of the current contract language. I have told all LUS agents that I can, that the raise will be on the first paycheck in October. This isn't a surprise to anyone on the negotiating team due to the current language. And I will say that I am pretty confident this language will change if or when we get a jcba.

 

[charlie Brown]

I'm really not after anyone. I just don't like BS in my breakroom. Last few times he came up here he said he would never give up LUS health care and would get us stronger part time language. It wasn't for me to call him a liar at that time so it all was good. Just saying that Sito will force him to agree to the AIP and give up our health care and he isn't a strong personality to fight Sito. I don't have a problem with Baskett although he hasn't made a difference on the eboard. I think he is an honest guy and wants the best but like a few others on the eboard, they simply can't do what they want to do otherwise they get fired. And to be sure, me and Baskett are at political opposites, he is with the establishment and I'm trying to change it. I don't hold that against him or anyone doing what they think is best. Fairbanks, otoh, is with the establishment and also pro management. Nice guy to talk to but just not a labor leader and is clueless.

Haha
Your funny!! Let me be the first to welcome you to Clt. I look forward to seeing you in the break rooms.

 

[wings396]

There is no retro pay that's due, because of the current contract language. I have told all LUS agents that I can, that the raise will be on the first paycheck in October. This isn't a surprise to anyone on the negotiating team due to the current language. And I will say that I am pretty confident this language will change if or when we get a jcba.

So having the set date of the 12th is basically meaninglless, and very misleading. The 12th, should be the 12th no matter what. Given a few other items that the IAM has agreed to, I'm not all that shocked at this one. I'm pretty sure that the actual starting date of a pay period could have been selected way back when this was agreed to.

 

[WeAAsles]

Haha
Your funny!! Let me be the first to welcome you to Clt. I look forward to seeing you in the break rooms.

Challenge him to arm wrestle. I bet he comes up with an excuse to weasel out?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Haha
Your funny!! Let me be the first to welcome you to Clt. I look forward to seeing you in the break rooms.

I knew you would see the humor in that.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

I know clt and never would have left. Only negative is workers comp down there.
I spent enuf time back up north. Id go to mia but its way too muggy to work there.. then again, i would go to rsw but thats not suppose to open up even though its the 3rd or 4th biggest station we dont have.

RSW is one of the stations mentioned to open up but it doesn't look good. They are doing TDY with us now. They have mostly mainline flights.

 

[charlie Brown]

So having the set date of the 12th is basically meaninglless, and very misleading. The 12th, should be the 12th no matter what. Given a few other items that the IAM has agreed to, I'm not all that shocked at this one. I'm pretty sure that the actual starting date of a pay period could have been selected way back when this was agreed to.

We weren't successful getting it changed the last contract. I'm pretty sure we will see it changed on the jcba. But I agree, it's a b.s rule. I was just answering the question when the LUS would see the raise and about not having a grievance due to the current language. But I agree! It sucks! Needs to be changed.

 

[swamt]

The AIP is a no for me, tentatively. I say, tentatively since it hasn't progressed to a TA yet and I haven't seen the language. But, with the TWU agreeing with Sito to water down the part time flexibilities, it's going to be a concessionary package as it will harm full timers, overtime, and eliminate part time opportunity.

Not yelling at you. Concessionary package? What the hell happened to "industry leading package" so adamantly promised by the TWU/IAM/ASOO.? So I am assuming you guys are being told of an AIP but just haven't seen anything in writing as of yet? Sounds to me like the membership will be highly disappointed.

 

[swamt]

I knew you would see the humor in that.

I wouldn't find any humor in a nego. cmte. member trying to sell a concessionary contract to his members. He should very much get drilled in front of the members why he would bring out a concessionary package period. That is, if he does bring one to you in the break rooms, they all should have to answer to the membership as it was promised by many (including Parker) that your contract will be industry leading.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not yelling at you. Concessionary package? What the hell happened to "industry leading package" so adamantly promised by the TWU/IAM/ASOO.? So I am assuming you guys are being told of an AIP but just haven't seen anything in writing as of yet? Sounds to me like the membership will be highly disappointed.

swamt just to put something into context for you. The last time Tim was spouting off on all things that had been agreed to for a contract was the IAM Fleet contract for USAirways. What he spouted off and many here remember still all too well was at the end of the day complete BS and entirely wrong and off the mark.

I've also been told he's done this in the past with other IAM represented groups. It could be how he gets his personal kicks or something.

The """"ONLY"""" person that I've seen """"ANYWHERE"""" mention this AIP is Tim Nelson who is a agent/clerk on the Ramp in ORD only. I haven't read or talked to anyone else in the entire WORLD who has confirmed anything he's written?????????

swamt do you always rely so heavily on rumors as fact? If you do it's not a very intelligent way to live your life.

(And no. No one officially is going to respond to the almost daily "pathetic" flood of "sometimes" ridiculous rumors. If they did they become pathetic too)

 

[NYer]

(Rumor has it)

That member was you. And the Treasurer attempted to do the right thing by telling your friend to call you. He NEVER needed to inform you at all and then you could have been really screwwed. (Rumor has it)

[swamt] WeAA, "do you always rely so heavily on rumors as fact? If you do it's not a very intelligent way to live your life."

 

[WeAAsles]

[swamt] WeAA, "do you always rely so heavily on rumors as fact? If you do it's not a very intelligent way to live your life."

Multiple items in that back and forth exchange you could have given your side of the story if it made you comfortable? Not saying as a certainty I would necessarily believe you though since I have called you a liar, but I would take it into consideration (If it made sense)

The things you do and say that don't make sense to me is where things go astray.

I'd personally prefer not to engage in the stuff anymore myself but maybe you're finally ready to seek or need some absolution?