JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[charlie Brown]

Suggestion!!
Lets start a comparison of overtime. The overtime article is done very different between the two airlines. Yes the surveys have been done and we know what the members have said. However it would be interesting to see how people on here feel about overtime. Overtime is called differently between the two contracts right now. It also is distributed differently. LAA side has paid overtime bypass LUS does not. LUS has double time on days off, LAA does not. It would be interesting to see some of your thoughts about what is important.

 

[Filter]

Nelson could not be further from the truth...trust me...the NC has not conceded health insurance...he is being disenginuous at best...

 

[WeAAsles]

Suggestion!!
Lets start a comparison of overtime. The overtime article is done very different between the two airlines. Yes the surveys have been done and we know what the members have said. However it would be interesting to see how people on here feel about overtime. Overtime is called differently between the two contracts right now. It also is distributed differently. LAA side has paid overtime bypass LUS does not. LUS has double time on days off, LAA does not. It would be interesting to see some of your thoughts about what is important.

We used to have Double time if you were called in 2 days in a row on your days off. The second day was the double time day. The only problem I remember with that was you almost never got called for the second day. On the second day you went to the bottom of the call in list. So management (outside of desperation) would stop at only people receiving time and a half.

Do you get Double time for any day off call in? It would be a nice item to have in our contract but does it maybe cut down on people being called for day off?

The OT bypass is meant to keep management in line to pay attention to their job. Many times in the past they've been notorious at messing up and we had/have members who keep a very close eye on that.

I think it's in the SWA contract (?) that if you're bypassed you can make that bypass up and come in any time you like in a set timeframe. Absolutely there has to be some type of penalty in place IMO to prevent any type of favoritism where they aren't held accountable so members can get an even slice of the pie.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nelson could not be further from the truth...trust me...the NC has not conceded health insurance...he is being disenginuous at best...

Yes but unfortunately he continues to sell it and the naive bite and buy into his made up babble.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Suggestion!!
Lets start a comparison of overtime. The overtime article is done very different between the two airlines. Yes the surveys have been done and we know what the members have said. However it would be interesting to see how people on here feel about overtime. Overtime is called differently between the two contracts right now. It also is distributed differently. LAA side has paid overtime bypass LUS does not. LUS has double time on days off, LAA does not. It would be interesting to see some of your thoughts about what is important.

CB, what does the cwa have regarding double time or mandatory? Thanks for posting, btw.
I personally think an ot bypass keeps things accountable. Not sure who calls the OT but i think twu peeps???

 

[WeAAsles]

CB, what does the cwa have regarding double time or mandatory? Thanks for posting, btw.
I personally think an ot bypass keeps things accountable. Not sure who calls the OT but i think twu peeps???

It's really not difficult to search and find Tim.

http://american-agents.org/app/uploads/2015/10/Article_6_Overtime_CS.pdf

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's really not difficult to search and find Tim.http://american-agents.org/app/uploads/2015/10/Article_6_Overtime_CS.pdf

Im not comfortable with either of our ot articles. Its always good to compare with other crafts and other properties, especially when both of our ot articles need work.

 

[charlie Brown]

We used to have Double time if you were called in 2 days in a row on your days off. The second day was the double time day. The only problem I remember with that was you almost never got called for the second day. On the second day you went to the bottom of the call in list. So management (outside of desperation) would stop at only people receiving time and a half.
Do you get Double time for any day off call in? It would be a nice item to have in our contract but does it maybe cut down on people being called for day off?
The OT bypass is meant to keep management in line to pay attention to their job. Many times in the past they've been notorious at messing up and we had/have members who keep a very close eye on that.
I think it's in the SWA contract (?) that if you're bypassed you can make that bypass up and come in any time you like in a set timeframe. Absolutely there has to be some type of penalty in place IMO to prevent any type of favoritism where they aren't held accountable so members can get an even slice of the pie.

We get double time after 8 hours on first day off, or all day on second day off as long as you work at least 4 hours on your first day off at a premium rate. And the way the We call overtime is by whoever has less hours. Makes no different if it's your days off or not. I know this is not the policy at AA.

 

[charlie Brown]

Im not comfortable with either of our ot articles. Its always good to compare with other crafts and other properties, especially when both of our ot articles need work.

Yes I agree it needs a lot of work. As you know we used to have paid bypass. We also used to have double time after 12 hours on a regular work day. These issues need addressing. However the TWU & IAM have different ways of calling and distributing the overtime. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[charlie Brown]

WeAASles
That above post is of course assuming you have your 40 hour qualifier in. Which is another issue that needs to be looked at.

 

[WeAAsles]

Im not comfortable with either of our ot articles. Its always good to compare with other crafts and other properties, especially when both of our ot articles need work.

I understand that Tim and please let's not get into the back and forth that's been the norm as of late on the board. Comfortable or not I don't believe was the point of the exercise that CB is trying to initiate.

I also know for a fact that all of our negotiators are very well aware of the language in every contract currently out there. But that does not also necessarily mean that all the best (or most popular) items will wind up being secured.

 

[bob@las-AA]

CB, what does the cwa have regarding double time or mandatory? Thanks for posting, btw.
I personally think an ot bypass keeps things accountable. Not sure who calls the OT but i think twu peeps???

In DFW, or any other station for that matter, admin. Makes the call

 

[Tim Nelson]

I understand that Tim and please let's not get into the back and forth that's been the norm as of late on the board. Comfortable or not I don't believe was the point of the exercise that CB is trying to initiate.
I also know for a fact that all of our negotiators are very well aware of the language in every contract currently out there. But that does not also necessarily mean that all the best (or most popular) items will wind up being secured.

Obviously that wasnt cb point, nor did i say it was. You just budded into a conversation, and im fine with that, but use your logics and if you dont want back and forth then dont cut in a conversation that wasnt addressed to you. Cripes, you are like the board police, brother. How about letting other people talk without you cutting in? Again, im fine if you cut in but not if you cut in and then blame someone who didnt even originally converse with you. Poor manners indeed!

 

[AANOTOK]

This topic is a perfect example of why there are so many questions. These overtime articles, were they discussed and a decision made on which policy will be put forward to the company, or are they being discussed among the Association when that particular Article comes up in negotiations with AA. Secondly, I know it was stated that the Association wanted the best of both contracts, but let's say for instance LUS thinks the way they distribute OT on days off is better than the way we do it at LAA. Who eventually decides which article to put forward. Do we go with the IAM because they are the seat until August? And again, has all this been worked out among the Association OR, could this possibly be adding to the delay?

 

[WeAAsles]

We get double time after 8 hours on first day off, or all day on second day off as long as you work at least 4 hours on your first day off at a premium rate. And the way the We call overtime is by whoever has less hours. Makes no different if it's your days off or not. I know this is not the policy at AA.

Obviously I like it since it's similar to what we used to have. It's actually an improvement over what we had since you had to work 8 the day before to get the DT the next day. Do second day sign ups drop to the bottom of the call in list?

And your less hour language is IMO the right way to do it. Equalization is ridiculous and always has been. I rarely sign up for OT so why should I be penalized for that? What if suddenly I have an unexpected bill pop up? With equalization putting me at a disadvantage I can't decide to do some OT to try and pay that bill.

Again equalization is ridiculous and totally unfair. I'll side with your way on that one.