JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Wow you got a set of nads. You bash these guys relentlessly calling them stupid moronic retards and an assortment of whatever other names you can think of and then you want to converse with one of them?

I know it's all just in fun right Tim. You're just fooling around and they know it.

Wow.

 
You do the same exact thing...the same exact thing.

 

[Kev3188]

No way Jose. I worked ZERO hours. Why should I be charged as if I did work OT?

Because you had the choice to work it and chose not to.

 

[NYer]

No way Jose. I worked ZERO hours. Why should I be charged as if I did work OT?

Equalization forces me basically to use it or lose it. Nothing at all fair about that period.

 
Because it protects people from being shut out of the OT process just because most don't work OT. If people were allowed to bank a ZERO, it would make it difficult to impossible for those that do and need the OT to get it after the first few weeks of a bid....Think of others sometimes.

 

[AANOTOK]

Because you had the choice to work it and chose not to.

Read my scenario Kev, not always the case...Children, babysitting, etc...all kinds of circumstances. Yet single man Joe with no responsibilities can work till his tongue hangs out but has cash to show it. Me, we are equal in hours and I have nothing to show for it.
Charging me for not working is totally ridiculous.

 

[WeAAsles]

100% agree.
 
I can't work OT for a month or two because I'm taking care of a sick relative. Yet Mr. Overtime man works every day and racks up the money and hours. Why in the heck should I get charged the hours with no pay. Then when I come back, I can catch up to equalization both monetarily and hourly...all is good and fair.

I'll be even harsher in my thoughts about it, it's "Wage Theft" plain and simple. More than likely written into a contract long before us by some greedy A Holes who signed up for everything and wanted to scarf as much $$MONEY$$ as they could possibly squeeze down their throats.

First time I ever heard about it I couldn't even believe it was real. I thought they were pulling my leg cause it sounded so STUPID.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
Because it protects people from being shut out of the OT process just because most don't work OT. If people were allowed to bank a ZERO, it would make it difficult to impossible for those that do and need the OT to get it after the first few weeks of a bid....Think of others sometimes.

So in your scenario, let the guy who hogs OT be protected, but the guy who cannot work it for other reasons never be able to catch up monetarily. Only the hours will be equal.

 

[Kev3188]

Read my scenario Kev, not always the case...Children, babysitting, etc...all kinds of circumstances. Yet single man Joe with no responsibilities can work till his tongue hangs out but has cash to show it. Me, we are equal in hours and I have nothing to show for it.
Charging me for not working is totally ridiculous.

I did read it. I'm also in the "do-your-eight-and-hit-the-gate" crowd.

But overall, it's still the fairest distribution method I've seen, and I say that as someone that worked under it, ran it for my station(s), and am now living with a total free for all when it comes to who gets the nod for OT...

 

[WeAAsles]

Because it protects people from being shut out of the OT process just because most don't work OT. If people were allowed to bank a ZERO, it would make it difficult to impossible for those that do and need the OT to get it after the first few weeks of a bid....Think of others sometimes.

BS. It's greed plain and simple. If you max out in a month so what. Maybe something happens to me next month where I really need it?

I haven't signed up for OT in 5 years. Do you really think I'm going to pull out a hat trick now just because I have zero hours? (As I should because I worked ZERO hours)

 

[AANOTOK]

I did read it. I'm also in the "do-your-eight-and-hit-the-gate" crowd, but overall, it's still the fairest distribution method I've seen.

Sorry Kev, but you will never get me to agree with you on that brother. That's ok though.

 

[Kev3188]

Sorry Kev, but you will never get me to agree with you on that brother. That's ok though.

Right on.

At least you guys will get a say in how it's done...

 

[AANOTOK]

BS. It's greed plain and simple. If you max out in a month so what. Maybe something happens to me next month where I really need it?

I haven't signed up for OT in 5 years. Do you really think I'm going to pull out a hat trick now just because I have zero hours? (As I should because I worked ZERO hours)

It absolutely is a system setup for the greedy.

 

[NYer]

Suggestion!!
Lets start a comparison of overtime. The overtime article is done very different between the two airlines. Yes the surveys have been done and we know what the members have said. However it would be interesting to see how people on here feel about overtime. Overtime is called differently between the two contracts right now. It also is distributed differently. LAA side has paid overtime bypass LUS does not. LUS has double time on days off, LAA does not. It would be interesting to see some of your thoughts about what is important.

 
CB.
 
We know the 8 double time on the 2nd DO is sexy, but there are other issues that should receive a bit of a priority over the double time.
 
--For instance, in the TWU the OT is distributed to the entire "work unit," which is considered the entire ramp. On the US side, I believe, the OT is assigned via the "duty assignment," which could be divided to several areas within the ramp. If there is an area that received a higher percentage of the OT, there could be a whole segments of Members that would not be eligible for the OT.
 
--Then the US side has separate lists for the Ramp guys and the Leads (Crew Chief). On the TWU side, we have one list but if there is a Lead (CC) needed, they can skip those not qualified to reach the Member with the proper qualifications.
 
--The TWU equalization lists goes to 0 at every bid.
 
--We also should prioritize eliminating the US language which allows at PT to get extended to cover a PT opening or positions. On the TWU side, the FT OT goes before the PT extensions.
 
Just a few points of the top of my head, I'm sure there are more complicated issues to go over. If the Members realized the complexity of this process, then we believe the frustrations felt would not be so heightened.

 

[AANOTOK]

And my disclaimer: I never work OT. I usually cs if I need extra money.

 

[WeAAsles]

So in your scenario, let the guy who hogs OT be protected, but the guy who cannot work it for other reasons never be able to catch up monetarily. Only the hours will be equal.

But wait a minute AANOTOK he NEEDS it more than you. Who the hell makes the determination of who's needs are greater than someone else? Maybe the OT hog needs a boat or an expensive young girlfriend?

 

[AANOTOK]

But wait a minute AANOTOK he NEEDS it more than you. Who the hell makes the determination of who's needs are greater than someone else? Maybe the OT hog needs a boat or an expensive young girlfriend?

Well, enticed by a young girlfriend could sway my vote...just sayin!