JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

I think everyone can see the issues we deal with regarding JCBA talks. We have some vast differences in language in some cases and we have to work through all of it. When it comes to scope the PAX agents have 5, LAA has 15 and LUS has 1. Care to guess where the Company will start? Every Article they pass is full of the weakest language from both contracts. We don't have temp employees and LAA does but I think you all noticed that there is not a ta on that Article.

I'm not trying to say anything negative here but the money isn't there without strings attached. Your NC has worked hard to get to where we are and all of you need to realize we are together in that room. I think a ta is possible in the fall but would not be surprised if it wasn't.

I know Parker and his crew are saying one thing in town halls but they are misleading you. I ask one thing, back us!!!!

P. Rez

  Doesn't the he company scheduling so many weeks tell you they want to get something done?As far as scope I was surprised when the company agreed to 1 flight knowing they would have to negotiate  from 1 in the future. the 15 0r so LAA has is a bankruptcy figure and ridiculous. Between 5-7 seems to be fair. We know the money either its going to be UAL or UAL+3%. Vacation, sick,overtime will be close if not the same as passenger service. As far as pension the company is going to give X amount they probably don't care where it goes this is where the association hold things up I'm LUS and keeping my fingers crossed that the IAMPFwill be there when I retire. All LAA should have a choice its the only way to do it if you make mandatory for new hires I wouldn't have a problem. All 12 people on here back you, you need to convince the other 25,000. Let it be known I appreciate what you guys  are doing of course you knew the job was thankless when you took it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think the old twu scope was 7 flights. I dont see why things would be higher. And the bar shouldnt be any higher for a potentially new stations.

 

[AANOTOK]

  Doesn't the he company scheduling so many weeks tell you they want to get something done?As far as scope I was surprised when the company agreed to 1 flight knowing they would have to negotiate  from 1 in the future. the 15 0r so LAA has is a bankruptcy figure and ridiculous. Between 5-7 seems to be fair. We know the money either its going to be UAL or UAL+3%. Vacation, sick,overtime will be close if not the same as passenger service. As far as pension the company is going to give X amount they probably don't care where it goes this is where the association hold things up I'm LUS and keeping my fingers crossed that the IAMPFwill be there when I retire. All LAA should have a choice its the only way to do it if you make mandatory for new hires I wouldn't have a problem. All 12 people on here back you, you need to convince the other 25,000. Let it be known I appreciate what you guys  are doing of course you knew the job was thankless when you took it.

AA very easily could have scheduled all these meetings as a "see, I told you we wanted a quick contract, yet the Association is the slow dancing partner just like we have been telling you in the Town Halls". But in reality, had no intentions of a quick settlement. As a newbie to the US Management style, I haven't learned to trust them yet. They still hold onto my prefund match, and they were not even here when we gave it. Secondly, you say either "UAL or UAL +3%. Not sure why you say that, but anything less than the +3% would be a non starter. First words that ever came out of Parker's mouth were Delta +7. Now it is down to Delta +3 and you are willing to except something less. These numbers were given before negotiations even started. I'm hoping I'm miss understanding you.

 

[WeAAsles]

AA very easily could have scheduled all these meetings as a "see, I told you we wanted a quick contract, yet the Association is the slow dancing partner just like we have been telling you in the Town Halls". But in reality, had no intentions of a quick settlement. As a newbie to the US Management style, I haven't learned to trust them yet. They still hold onto my prefund match, and they were not even here when we gave it. Secondly, you say either "UAL or UAL +3%. Not sure why you say that, but anything less than the +3% would be a non starter. First words that ever came out of Parker's mouth were Delta +7. Now it is down to Delta +3 and you are willing to except something less. These numbers were given before negotiations even started. I'm hoping I'm miss understanding you.

He's actually on record somewhere that I read where he said Delta or UAL whichever is higher. He backed away from the 7% when Delta gave the 14% but cut the PS in half. And I haven't even heard him say plus 3% anywhere since he added PS to our groups.

I'd like to hear a commitment from him to continue with his plus 3 rhetoric since UAL provides a higher contribution to their employees retirement accounts at least in Fleet. Not to mention SWA gets somewhere in the range of a 9% match.

Without the 3% being added to either the front or the back end we're being ripped off on compensation.

BTW those Canadian agents got $29.27 and the 5.5% match. (I ran into one of them at the Wendy's in MIA)

 

[ograc]

Let's DISREGARD what is said or  promised at town hall meetings. It's irrelevant and misleading. What is important is the posture of the company in negotiations. From what I see it is the same LUS "cost neutral" position. This is the reality. This is what we are up against behind closed door negotiations. Those who cannot support our NC in negotiations should "join the other side". Time to stand our ground! Time to... dare I say... Lock and Load!   

 

[WeAAsles]

Let's DISREGARD what is said or  promised at town hall meetings. It's irrelevant and misleading. What is important is the posture of the company in negotiations. From what I see it is the same LUS "cost neutral" position. This is the reality. This is what we are up against behind closed door negotiations. Those who cannot support our NC in negotiations should "join the other side". Time to stand our ground! Time to... dare I say... Lock and Load!

That's why I used the word "rhetoric" But he should be held accountable for the words he's used and not backpedal from them when the costs started going up for our services.

I consider it a trust issue. He's said he wants to gain our trust. That needs to be earned.

I trust our negotiators right now and no one else.

 

[ograc]

That's why I used the word "rhetoric" But he should be held accountable for the words he's used and not backpedal from them when the costs started going up for our services.

I consider it a trust issue. He's said he wants to gain our trust. That needs to be earned.

I trust our negotiators right now and no one else.

 
The devil would like to gain our trust and sympathy as well. I nominate "Sympathy for the Devil"  - Rolling Stones.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

The devil would like to gain our trust and sympathy as well. I nominate "Sympathy for the Devil"  - Rolling Stones.

Nice response. And great tune BTW.

 

[AANOTOK]

He's actually on record somewhere that I read where he said Delta or UAL whichever is higher. He backed away from the 7% when Delta gave the 14% but cut the PS in half. And I haven't even heard him say plus 3% anywhere since he added PS to our groups.

I'd like to hear a commitment from him to continue with his plus 3 rhetoric since UAL provides a higher contribution to their employees retirement accounts at least in Fleet. Not to mention SWA gets somewhere in the range of a 9% match.

Without the 3% being added to either the front or the back end we're being ripped off on compensation.

BTW those Canadian agents got $29.27 and the 5.5% match. (I ran into one of them at the Wendy's in MIA)

There are Town Halls where he stated the down from +7 to +3 because of the new Delta PS. I would have to research it, but I do believe he stated we were getting the PS (if profitable) clean, meaning giving nothing up. The Delta or United + would remain. That is the only way his "preaching" of highest paid employees would come to fruition. Having said that, I do believe he was asked in the last Town Hall what about UAL just getting a raise and I do believe he said we would be paid equivalent, comparable or something to that nature. He did not mention them plus 3. So, it's up to the NC to keep Parker at his word.
 
Edit: Ok, after a little research, Doug states (about the UAL raises) that Fleet raises will be inline with what other work groups received, and when negotiations are done, we will be at their level (UAL). So, +3 does seem to have left the sales pitch.

 

[WeAAsles]

There are Town Halls where he stated the down from +7 to +3 because of the new Delta PS. I would have to research it, but I do believe he stated we were getting the PS (if profitable) clean, meaning giving nothing up. The Delta or United + would remain. That is the only way his "preaching" of highest paid employees would come to fruition. Having said that, I do believe he was asked in the last Town Hall what about UAL just getting a raise and I do believe he said we would be paid equivalent, comparable or something to that nature. He did not mention them plus 3. So, it's up to the NC to keep Parker at his word.
 
Edit: Ok, after a little research, Doug states (about the UAL raises) that Fleet raises will be inline with what other work groups received, and when negotiations are done, we will be at their level (UAL). So, +3 does seem to have left the sales pitch.

Didn't you mention about lunches yesterday also? Take a look at the part on meal periods here.

http://iam141.org/united/docs/040416IAM-UA%20Limited%20Issue%20TA%20Info%20Guide%20FSE.pdf

 

[AANOTOK]

Didn't you mention about lunches yesterday also? Take a look at the part on meal periods here.

http://iam141.org/united/docs/040416IAM-UA%20Limited%20Issue%20TA%20Info%20Guide%20FSE.pdf

I would take the "leave 30 minutes early" everyday if it were possible. I can scarf down a sandwich in 30 seconds.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would take the "leave 30 minutes early" everyday if it were possible. I can scarf down a sandwich in 30 seconds.

Id stay and take the paid lunch. If it were every day it would be an extra $200 per month. And if they can secure back PH you can count on me staying daily if they're offering.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would take the "leave 30 minutes early" everyday if it were possible. I can scarf down a sandwich in 30 seconds.

AANOTOK I noticed a few other items in that contract that I like which gives those members a lot of ways to make extra money. If you work 2 or more days in a row of mandatory (white slip) OT the employee it says will be paid "all" hours at Double Time rate. I know you guys there in DFW get tons of white slips cause of your weather.

They also have OT bypass and it doesn't look like you have to come in to make up the hours.

And they just did away with "equalization" The hours are reset back to zero every quarter. Which I've said I do think is fair as "everyone" resets.

We get items like these in our contract and it looks like I'll be joining the ranks of the OT crowd. Just too much gravy to pass up.

Your opinion? Yellow Mustang Convertible or Yellow Camaro Convertible?

 

[WeAAsles]

There are Town Halls where he stated the down from +7 to +3 because of the new Delta PS. I would have to research it, but I do believe he stated we were getting the PS (if profitable) clean, meaning giving nothing up. The Delta or United + would remain. That is the only way his "preaching" of highest paid employees would come to fruition. Having said that, I do believe he was asked in the last Town Hall what about UAL just getting a raise and I do believe he said we would be paid equivalent, comparable or something to that nature. He did not mention them plus 3. So, it's up to the NC to keep Parker at his word.
 
Edit: Ok, after a little research, Doug states (about the UAL raises) that Fleet raises will be inline with what other work groups received, and when negotiations are done, we will be at their level (UAL). So, +3 does seem to have left the sales pitch.

Why am I NOT surprised. Ok then if Parker wants to be chintzy now on putting that 3% directly into my pocket then I'd like to see the total economic value of that put into our contract in other areas. Jobs, Stations, etc.

And when this is all done it would be nice if the guys gave us the added economic costs that the company is going to pay for our services. What is the total cost of our two contracts currently and what will the increase be in combining the two?

Remember when we got the 2% me too in the BK going down from 20% to 17% our negotiators informed us where and how they applied that 2% to our agreement.

One of those items that yes I give credit to NYer for was doing away with PT paying double for their medical. I agree that if PT pays double for their medical it gives the company more of an incentive to want to reach the top of any cap that's in place because it's a money saver for them. No I don't like the idea of PT paying double for their medical and I also though don't like the idea of PT being included in the mix for OT with FTers.

 

[NYer]

AANOTOK I noticed a few other items in that contract that I like which gives those members a lot of ways to make extra money. If you work 2 or more days in a row of mandatory (white slip) OT the employee it says will be paid "all" hours at Double Time rate. I know you guys there in DFW get tons of white slips cause of your weather.

They also have OT bypass and it doesn't look like you have to come in to make up the hours.

And they just did away with "equalization" The hours are reset back to zero every quarter. Which I've said I do think is fair as "everyone" resets.

We get items like these in our contract and it looks like I'll be joining the ranks of the OT crowd. Just too much gravy to pass up.

Your opinion? Yellow Mustang Convertible or Yellow Camaro Convertible?

 
Oy.
 
You seem to have a different definition of equalization.