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Yesterday, May 18, 2006, Jetblue held its annual stockholders meeting. The first question to David Neeleman was concerning if JB was going into ISP. Neeleman’s response was “We don’t discuss future plansâ€￾ He did say that gates are available and we are always considering the options. In June, the second phase of the new terminal will open with four gates. Since SWA, 33 flights at ISP now, is not completely using the four gates they already have, this would be the time to get in or forever hold your peace. FYI: The way Neeleman responded almost made you think that there were talks going on and he didn’t want to talk about it. Comments?
 
What would be the advantage to flying from ISP when their major base of operations is at JFK, not that far away?
 
Jetblue already set up base at LGA and that is only 5 miles north. ISP is 40 Miles east and has a population area of 2.7 million people. Some areas of the east end of LI are over 100 Miles from JFK.
 
There is a difference between NYC airports and the rest of the world. AA has operations at JFK, LGA, AND EWR. And, at PHL which is not that far away, and AE ops at White Plains.

But, about the argument about the population base for Long Island...
From an airline passenger standpoint, I don't think 2.7 million is all that many unless they are concentrated into ONLY one airport, and ISP would get NONE of those 2.7mil who were traveling International. (Don't start about DAL and DFW or IAH and HOU. There aren't really that many flights out of DAL, and SW's HOU operation would be much smaller if it weren't for the Wright Amendment.)

Also, if SW is not even using their 4 gates at ISP to capacity, trust me, there is a reason. The one thing you can not argue with is success, and I've yet to see SW fly anywhere for the glory or the prestige. If it ain't a money maker, they don't fly it.
 
ISP service would really go head-to-head with SWA. ISP-TPA/MCO/FLL would see very low fares and some great service. This should be interesting when/if it happens. just my thoughts.........
 
I've heard that B6 is getting two of the four new gates at ISP, but that may have changed. Since B6 announced that they are re-focusing on trying to fly routes where they can charge higher fares, going head-to-head against SWA at ISP doesn't make much sense. It may happen at some point in the future but I think, for now, B6 has better choices elsewhere.
 
Maybe I think jetBlue will consider to add limit flights nonstop service to Washington-Dulles, Boston and especially some Florida cities. :unsure:
 
B6 is still getting a lot of planes (unless they change there minds again) were they put them is going to be one of the biggest moves in present day US aviation.
 
B6 is still getting a lot of planes (unless they change there minds again) were they put them is going to be one of the biggest moves in present day US aviation.

They talked about adding around 6-8 NEW cities THIS year, on their latest conf call.


SoftLanding
 
Even though rumor talk is worthless sometimes, the buzz at ISP is that an announcement is imminent with flights to start in August out of the new Gates A1 and A2 in the new terminal. Comments?
 
Even though rumor talk is worthless sometimes, the buzz at ISP is that an announcement is imminent with flights to start in August out of the new Gates A1 and A2 in the new terminal. Comments?


Actually make sense, considering all the deliveries they're expecting this year.

Fairly large market, and non-stops to bigger cities east of the Miss. river should give JetBlue a little higher yields. Even with Southwest serving some of the same markets, don't believe we'll see a fare-war, as both carriers are looking to stay/become profitable.


SoftLanding
 
Actually make sense, considering all the deliveries they're expecting this year.

Fairly large market, and non-stops to bigger cities east of the Miss. river should give JetBlue a little higher yields. Even with Southwest serving some of the same markets, don't believe we'll see a fare-war, as both carriers are looking to stay/become profitable.
SoftLanding


You may not believe that you would see a fare war, but I can assure you that you would see scorched earth wholesale destruction take no prisoners fare war.

Southwest would not sit idly by and watch B6 take a market away that Southwest not only built, but that they paid their good money to enlarge and upgrade the terminal building.

JetBlue encroachment into Islip might even plop Southwest down at JFK - and I think one would be underestimating the boys and girls from Dallas to think they lack enough political clout to get some slots or gates or whatever is necessary.

Southwest not only has a lot more money than JetBlue, they are still profitable. A good way for JetBlue to make sure they don't see any black ink for a long time would be to pick a fight with Southwest. An incursion into Islip would be viewed just that way.

When it comes to head to head competition on identical routes of identical stage length, JetBlue does not have a cost advantage.

Ex-fuel, JetBlue has a CASM of 5.40 to Southwest's 6.43. However, JetBlue achieves that on a 1200+ mile stage length versus 617 miles, I believe, for Southwest.

You correct for the average stage length disparity, I'd bet WN has a lower CASM.

You factor in fuel hedging, WN has a significantly better CASM.

JetBlue has tv sets and assigned seats, you say? Southwest has fewer customer complaints and a better on time record.

Southwest also has the capacity to make life very, very unpleasant for JetBlue if Neeleman decided to take Southwest on. Bracketing every flight you have with a departure 15 minutes before and 15 minutes after, and chopping the fare to whatever breaks them even at a 95% load factor....leaves JetBlue unable to charge enough to break even with a full boat.

JetBlue would be well served to take the advice of a famous General who advised against getting involved in a land war in the face of Asia. You choose to attack someone who is weak, someone you can defeat, someone who has high costs, someone whose operations are poor.

The only conceivable way I can see Southwest permitting JetBlue to establish a presence at Islip would be if JetBlue was hooking Southwest up with terminal space at another NYC area airport.
 
You may not believe that you would see a fare war, but I can assure you that you would see scorched earth wholesale destruction take no prisoners fare war.

I'll just going to comment on your fare war comment.

Southwest is looking for yields, higher fares, as are we all...

With JetBlue maybe flying a few flights out of Islip, not going to disturb Southwest, I would believe.

Then again, why wouldn't JBLU just stay in JFK? If anything, some more expansion out of LGA would, IMHO, be the smart thing to do. Lots of RJ's/DASH8's serving lots of lucrative markets...The E190 would be the ticket, I believe...


SoftLanding

PS Would you believe Southwest has been having problems in BWI with AirTran? AirTran is (or at least have been) pricing very, very aggressively...
 
I don't know about adding more flights at LGA; I read that Neeleman isn't pleased with the delays at LGA. I think B6 is better off sticking with JFK. As for ISP, I just don't see how going head-to-head with WN is going to help B6's yields unless B6 is going to fly different routes than WN.
 

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