Job losses from a US-AA merger

[firedougparker]

I know American's unions have taken big gulps of Doug's Koolaid, but job losses and hub and base closures are inevitable if the two airlines merge.

Notice that in the corporate speak there are no promises, just that changes will be "way down the process". Uh uh.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/would-a-usairways-merger-have-a-severe-impact-on-tempe-some-say-no

I have my own thoughts on the matter:

http://firedougparker.org/2012/06/21/if-us-and-aa-merge-how-does-it-affect-tempe.aspx

 

[ChockJockey]

I'm really touched by your altrusitic concern for our well being. And here I was thinking you were just some scaremongering troll with a gimmick account.

 

[signals]

Nah, I'm the troll without a gimmick account. Personally, I think the real trolls are the sandflea cheerleaders that suddenly are trying to convince us that the pile of $#!7 is actually a pile of roses.

Merge, don't merge, this is actually a win-win situation for me!

 

[johnny kat]

signals

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  Nah, I'm the troll without a gimmick account. Personally, I think the real trolls are the sandflea cheerleaders that suddenly are trying to convince us that the pile of $#!7 is actually a pile of roses.
  
  Merge, don't merge, this is actually a win-win situation for me!

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Signals, you should put down that cocktail. You have just exposed yourself as being firedougparker as well as signals. If you aren't an employee then I think you need some mental counseling to help you overcome your obsession with the airlines and their issues. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

 

[wings396]

Finally someone else has taken notice.......

 

[signals]

Bwahahaha!

Don't you guys love being wrong as usual? Sure, I'm every US hater in the universe. I'm being exposed by convenient lies, yet I remain the 'original' hater!

Just one account will suffice. I'm signals, often imitated by just amateurish imitations, I might add. But whatever makes U jeneouses(genius) look smarter, go for it. Don't know who the other US haters are, but they aren't me 😛 😛 😛h34r: 😛h34r:

 

[signals]

signals

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  Nah, I'm the troll without a gimmick account. Personally, I think the real trolls are the sandflea cheerleaders that suddenly are trying to convince us that the pile of $#!7 is actually a pile of roses.
  
  Merge, don't merge, this is actually a win-win situation for me!

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Signals, you should put down that cocktail. You have just exposed yourself as being firedougparker as well as signals. If you aren't an employee then I think you need some mental counseling to help you overcome your obsession with the airlines and their issues. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

Hey johnnykat,

If you can't handle the truth, then it is you who needs a team of psychologists round the clock.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/53658-proposed-mergeraa-bankruptcy/page__st__20

 

[johnny kat]

signals

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johnny kat, said:

signals

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  Nah, I'm the troll without a gimmick account. Personally, I think the real trolls are the sandflea cheerleaders that suddenly are trying to convince us that the pile of $#!7 is actually a pile of roses.
  
  Merge, don't merge, this is actually a win-win situation for me!

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Signals, you should put down that cocktail. You have just exposed yourself as being firedougparker as well as signals. If you aren't an employee then I think you need some mental counseling to help you overcome your obsession with the airlines and their issues. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Hey johnnykat,

If you can't handle the truth, then it is you who needs a team of psychologists round the clock.

http://www.airlinefo...cy/page__st__20
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Signals, I git it, you are the Ernest T. Bass (ca. The Andy Griffith show) of the Airline Forums world. The anonymous "hit 'em and run"
hillbilly, who comes down from the hills to break windows and crush airline employee dreams with your inbred wit. Ha Ha, I finally git it.

 

[Art at ISP]

It just amazes me how almost every thread here wanders off from being about the subject and becomes an attack on the poster. The original subject of this thread I believe has merit and should be explored further.....but that would take maturity--something lacking in a good number of folks around here......

Fact is, if the merger does take place, there will be jobs lost. How many is anyone's guess, but there is a chance it could be worse than if AA remained standalone. Likely? Perhaps not, but possible? Absolutely.

I would strongly suggest that AA union officials talk off line with their counterparts at AA if they can.....my personal opinion is that Doug Parker and team are not to be trusted...they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

My BEST to you all.....

 

[WorldTraveler]

The newest servers on the planet won't change the fact that this board is populated by two sides of people on every issue that refuse to acknowledge that either side might have an iota of truth in the perspective the other brings.
And the result is that the same thing is said over and over again and there really is not much that happens here other than character assassination.
A shame really.

The increasing possibility that AA will come up w/ some type of negotiated agreement with the pilots makes it even less likely that the APA will decide it is not in their interest in supporting the US merger proposal any longer.
The APA is not dumb. They have used the US merger proposal to gain what they can... but as soon as they walk out of court with some sort of deal and then look at the alternatives, including US, the chances are quite strong that they will decide that a standalone AA is as much if not more in their best interest than the risk of a very messy merger with US that may or may not ever deliver on the promises that are being made.... and even if the labor integration issues were more certain, it doesn't change that the rest of AA's interests would have to be convinced that an AA-US merger is in their best interest, and so far there is no evidence that is the case.
Everyone is posturing to minimize their losses and maximize their gains... that is just part of the BK process that AA has to deal with.

 

[N288AA]

With the details starting to come out of AA's LBO, even with an agreement the distrust with AMR management only widens. This is not scetion 6 negotiations. We are in the fight for our lives and we all were told we need this to be competitive and now the company has cowboy upped to get a deal with the pilots. Now they have to go back to the 5 TWU groups that have agreements and fulfill the "me too" clause. Just can't find it in my heart of hearts to say they have my families well being at interest! As far as job losses there will be alot of attrition in the next few years. Even if a deal were signed today you are looking at at least 2 years till full integration. There will be alot of people leaving AA in that time frame. The month of May alone we lost over 50 pilots to retirement. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[PITbull]

It just amazes me how almost every thread here wanders off from being about the subject and becomes an attack on the poster. The original subject of this thread I believe has merit and should be explored further.....but that would take maturity--something lacking in a good number of folks around here......

Fact is, if the merger does take place, there will be jobs lost. How many is anyone's guess, but there is a chance it could be worse than if AA remained standalone. Likely? Perhaps not, but possible? Absolutely.

I would strongly suggest that AA union officials talk off line with their counterparts at AA if they can.....my personal opinion is that Doug Parker and team are not to be trusted...they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

My BEST to you all.....

My friend,

No words written have been better presented....and you know very well...more so than most through the years. Nice to see you still posting.

I just posted a letter from from DeWitt Ingram, CLT USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives Candidate for Appeal Board Seat 3 on the pilot discussion thread...pretty illuminating stuff.
I guess it has made its rounds in e-mails and thought i might post it.

 

[Art at ISP]

PITBull,
Nice to see you still here as well. I read the letter, and it is very informative. This is one case where the grass is not always greener on the other side--and US employees will not do well at a combined US/AA. As I have said before here, AA unions need only look at the history here to see what their likely outcome will be.....and they should be careful what they wish for.

 

[signals]

Here is something few see. With Parker serenading the AA unions, and the unions considering it, it is obvious he must have come up with something they can't refuse. Lets forget the fact that from the looks of it, Parker may just be a bargaining chip. If the unions are considering it it may mean that DOH will go in their favor. The pilots will end up being the COs and all of US would be FO, tus settling that issue! APFA may still have a little thorn in their contract that means that US f/as will be furloughed or laid off over AA. They'll call it stapling, but it's not. Sure this may be far-fetched, but then one has to wonder why Doug is using labor, and why would labor consider it, knowing US labor situation over the years.

Let me play the devil's advocate, Parker promised to save AA jobs. Is he lying? Or did he just not mention US jobs?

 

[FWAAA]

Here is something few see. With Parker serenading the AA unions, and the unions considering it, it is obvious he must have come up with something they can't refuse. Lets forget the fact that from the looks of it, Parker may just be a bargaining chip. If the unions are considering it it may mean that DOH will go in their favor. The pilots will end up being the COs and all of US would be FO, tus settling that issue! APFA may still have a little thorn in their contract that means that US f/as will be furloughed or laid off over AA. They'll call it stapling, but it's not. Sure this may be far-fetched, but then one has to wonder why Doug is using labor, and why would labor consider it, knowing US labor situation over the years.

Stapling can no longer happen under federal law, so the US FAs and the AA FAs will either agree on seniority integration or an arbitrator would decide. Same thing with pilots. USAPA becomes irrelevant if US and AA combine - the Allied PIlots Association would be the bargaining agent and arbitration would be used to integrate the lists - but unlike last time, the loser US East pilots would have no possible escape from the arbitration outcome as they comprise a small minority of the total pilot group. Thus, they couldn't form a commpeting union like they did with USAPA. The East pilots would actually be bound by their agreement to arbitrate.

I agree with you that Parker is playing the AA unions, but I also think that they are playing him, hoping that cuddling with Doug Parker ultimately gets them more from AA. I seriously doubt that any AA employees actually want to merge with US, as airline employees generally despise mergers.

This is Parker's last chance to be the CEO of a world-wide airline, and he knows it. He's willing to spend whatever it takes, even if it means promising the AA employees the moon (which would be funded by the current US employees, no doubt).