Job losses from a US-AA merger

[Phoenix]

Whoa, don't bite my head off. But I wouldn't want to be or even trust a shop stupid.

Btw, on your post I don't see your DOH is when.

Don't know what it meant, but DOH is when you become a member of that union, not when you started with the company, IN THE UNION'S VIEW!

But like I said, yours is a different world.

Bite your head off? You are such a victim. Is the bleeding arterial?

 

[signals]

Nice of U to twist things much like the rest. Read my entire entry. And quit twisting!

Answer the DOH. Or avoid, twist, and victimize the topic, that DOH is based on union membership.

 

[wings396]

Can't speak for the pilot group, but in most cases DOH is not affiliated with the Union. Several workgroups weren't unionized when many people were hired to begin with. If your DOH went along with the union, you would be able to leave one company and go to another with the same union while retaining your time. As I'm sure you know that isn't the case with the airlines. A Union does establish a formula to base your senoirity on,and it may or may not go along with your DOH. Most workgroups go by classification senoirity, which has several factors involved, IE: how long you were P/T, and if you transferred into another dept. There are many F/T employees that are ahead of others with an earlier DOH due to the lenght of their P/T service with the company. You could have been an IAM member for 20 years with another airline, and gets you nothing if take a job at another airline that also has the IAM.

 

[BoeingBoy]

that DOH is based on union membership.

You're really talking about two different things for most, if not all, airline unions. Some do have a "classification date" based on when one gets a job in a class/craft, but that's for seniority purposes only and it's not considered a change in DOH. For example, someone going from ramper to mechanic would get a new seniority date which controlled their schedules but for non-rev travel or vacation accrual would still have their same DOH.

Jim

 

[Newman]

It just amazes me how almost every thread here wanders off from being about the subject and becomes an attack on the poster. The original subject of this thread I believe has merit and should be explored further.....but that would take maturity--something lacking in a good number of folks around here......

Fact is, if the merger does take place, there will be jobs lost. How many is anyone's guess, but there is a chance it could be worse than if AA remained standalone. Likely? Perhaps not, but possible? Absolutely.

I would strongly suggest that AA union officials talk off line with their counterparts at AA if they can.....my personal opinion is that Doug Parker and team are not to be trusted...they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

My BEST to you all.....

I just take the "believe it when it happens" attitude

 

[PITbull]

It just amazes me how almost every thread here wanders off from being about the subject and becomes an attack on the poster. The original subject of this thread I believe has merit and should be explored further.....but that would take maturity--something lacking in a good number of folks around here......

Fact is, if the merger does take place, there will be jobs lost. How many is anyone's guess, but there is a chance it could be worse than if AA remained standalone. Likely? Perhaps not, but possible? Absolutely.

I would strongly suggest that AA union officials talk off line with their counterparts at AA if they can.....my personal opinion is that Doug Parker and team are not to be trusted...they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

My BEST to you all.....

Ditto on that, good buddy.

 

[PITbull]

Stapling can no longer happen under federal law, so the US FAs and the AA FAs will either agree on seniority integration or an arbitrator would decide.


I agree with you that Parker is playing the AA unions, but I also think that they are playing him, hoping that cuddling with Doug Parker ultimately gets them more from AA. I seriously doubt that any AA employees actually want to merge with US, as airline employees generally despise mergers.

This is Parker's last chance to be the CEO of a world-wide airline, and he knows it. He's willing to spend whatever it takes, even if it means promising the AA employees the moon (which would be funded by the current US employees, no doubt).

Exactly! These are my sentiments as well, that's why I came back to post.