Jumpseat Policy
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I understand, I just don't get why some of your coworkers need to try to put dispatchers down in their fight to get the jump seat.
Ok.. I apologize for dispatchers observing in the cockpit.. Your presence is relevant . Not marketing people though.. I'm referring about non rev policies with the APA... Are dispatchers eligible for C/P Jump non reving?.. I'm not sure..
I'm a bit bitter with the situation with the jumpseat.. I used to fly it occupationally back to LA then after 01 the door was shut.. Pilots back then welcomed our company and we traded airplane technical facts and BS stories at 41K.. Most we're interested in the wealth of knowledge we brought.. The stuff they don't teach at the school house. For example that the 10's and 11's had soft strut designs (dual chamber pistons) on the main gears. Designed after the late 10 and first 30 series started fracturing in the single chamber struts ..
We also had a peck order for that seat.. DH Pilots, D2 Pilots, AMT's, OA Pilots.
I'm a bit bitter with the situation with the jumpseat.. I used to fly it occupationally back to LA then after 01 the door was shut.. Pilots back then welcomed our company and we traded airplane technical facts and BS stories at 41K.. Most we're interested in the wealth of knowledge we brought.. The stuff they don't teach at the school house. For example that the 10's and 11's had soft strut designs (dual chamber pistons) on the main gears. Designed after the late 10 and first 30 series started fracturing in the single chamber struts ..
We also had a peck order for that seat.. DH Pilots, D2 Pilots, AMT's, OA Pilots.
Notice you listed OAL pilots after AMT's. This is the reason we are no longer allowed.
How about this scenario.
Flight is full, FDJ available but we can not get it. OAL pilot shows up and he gets it.
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IIRC, dispatchers are required to do ride-along observations annually. They are assigned to the jumpseat as an A1, A3 or an A12 (sorry, been way too long to remember which classification).
I don't believe they can opt for the jumpseat as a D2, but happy to be corrected either way. I don't recall if they ever had the FDJ embossed on their D2 cards or not (are they even issuing separate cards anymore?...). I do know that some officers (A2) had the FDJ option, but can't imagine too many of them willing to be literally in the hot seat. My old boss once asked Crandall to take the cockpit on a LGA-DFW flight because F was oversold, and he did it without batting an eye. Her boss nearly had a heart attack....
Marketing people?... Haven't ever heard that one.
I had the opportunity to ride jumpseat when I was managing the policy, but it written authorization from the VP-Flight on a per-flight basis, with the understanding that the captain had the option to decline it if the jumpseat was needed for an AA pilot (I could still bump a MQ or OAL pilot).
If someone from marketing was in the jumpseat, it was probbly an exception. Got more specifics?
The catch-all best solution is for the Captain to have the authority to put a Pilot, AMT or FA on the CP jumpseat if he chooses, as well as his cabin jumpseats. I would also support the ability of the Captain to place any company employee, such as those in HDQ, as long as they meet some requirements such as tenure and background checks due to security issues.
While it may not be popular here, the CP jumpseat priority should still remain as pilots, including those of OAL, then everyone else. The simple fact is the ability for AA pilots to maintain and keep the ability to jumpseat on other airlines depends on the ability for OAL pilots to ride on AA. If they can't and get shut out, the jumpseat agreements will collapse. The CP jumpseats for pilots goes back a half a century or more. AA used to not be a part of that until 1991 when APA fought and paid for the ability to join in JS agreements with other carriers. What some want on this thread will destroy those JS agreements. That isn't going to happen.
While it may not be popular here, the CP jumpseat priority should still remain as pilots, including those of OAL, then everyone else. The simple fact is the ability for AA pilots to maintain and keep the ability to jumpseat on other airlines depends on the ability for OAL pilots to ride on AA. If they can't and get shut out, the jumpseat agreements will collapse. The CP jumpseats for pilots goes back a half a century or more. AA used to not be a part of that until 1991 when APA fought and paid for the ability to join in JS agreements with other carriers. What some want on this thread will destroy those JS agreements. That isn't going to happen.
BS.
Well over two decades and I've never seen a "marketing intern" on the jumpseat.
The agent verified it? Sure. while I've found most are very smart and well informed about a million issues with seats in the cabin, they can be clueless about the jumpseat. Not a slam at them, but the minutia of the jumpseat can be confusing since they may not see some issues often and the Sabre steps can be time intensive when there is no time as it is.
At one time at FedEx, any airline pilot could bump any FedEx employee from the jumpseat. Post 9-11 thats not the case any more, as no FedEx employees other than those authorized can occupy the jumpseat.
I know this is a bit of a curve ball here, but why haven't you guys set your sights on the cabin jumpseat as well?
1AA over on the Usairways board you've identified non-revving as a company "privilege" And, for the record, I can't think of a single pilot that wants to keep mechanics out of the cockpit. You've spewed all sorts of reasons why the TWU will not address your desire to have cockpit jumpseat privileges and have decided to lay blame at the feet of AA pilots.
Thats BS.
It you want it, it comes from the company. Not the APA. The company owns the jumpseat, not the APA. Period.
As I said to Jager, go to the table, and get it back.
I must not have had enough coffee this morning, because I can't come up with a polite way to say "you're pissing down the wrong leg"
Jager, so many things wrong with your post.
I, nor anyone else can help you if you can't handle the truth. APA has no cockpit jumpseat policy. We have no CBA jumpseat language. Deal with it. Follow the guide 1AA pointed out and read the language. That "book" is part of our Ops specs, not union policy. You go to the COMPANY to change that.
If you can't handle the truth, then there's no helping you.
You want it, go to the table with the company. Ain't one word the APA can say about it.
Rhetorical question for you, knowing thats there is one, and sometimes two jumpseats on the jet....
How does "everyone" assuming there are more than one or two commuters, plan on getting to work?
Your fastest fingers way of doing things may or may not survive the integration.
Been having great experiences with dispatch. Never had issues in the past either.
I'm calling you out.
Produce something more than conjecture.
Review FM part 1, understand what it is, who owns it and how to get what YOU want.
