Having three different occupational dates depending on where you work is not dumb at all. In fact, according to Kasher, it represents what TWA brought to the table. Also, you have to remember that in our contract, no nAAtive can be adversely impacted by the TWAers. If a bunch of senior bitter TWAers who think that AA, the nAAtives, and the world owes them everyting come to MIA with their 100%, then many nAAtives would be adversly impacted in a station where TWA had about 4 flights a day and AA had almost 200 on 4/9/01. As for protection, when AA negotiates a contract, they feel that they can only realistically protect a fixed amount of people. AA will NOT expand that number. The TWAers are NOT entitled to the protection and the $12,500 because one of the requirements in the contract is that "one must have been on the active AA payroll before 9/98." Do you possess an AA paystub with a prior date? The TWAers have a collosall gall to claim that they are entitled to protection and the $12,500.
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That's correct as long as you stayed in a position covered by the IAM contact.
However, TWA " Fleet service " people only did deep-cleaning on overnight aircraft, they never worked the Ramp.
That work was performed by Ramp Service Workers .
I was therefore very surprised when they furloughed the AA guys who did deep-cleaning and kept the TWA guys.
Someone forgot to check the Titles against the job description.
I don't know who dropped the ball on this one.
Do you?
I have to agree with MCI on this one. It was a dumb decision, and I think that the International had a lot of influence towards the outcome. It introduced station seniority and basically rewrote our contract without us being given a chance to vote on it.
What Kasher should have done was award them 25% with a fence around MCI and STL that would expire in 10 years. Simple and equitable.
Instead we have an overly complex system that permanaently restricts the movement of TWAers well beyond integration and in fact punishes naatives at certain stations while protecting naatives at other stations. When AA aquired TWA, naative workers at JFK saw no benifit from the aquisition, certainly no more than naatives at DFW saw. The fact is that AA bought TWA to enhance its "system", not just a few stations, however Kasher, for some odd reason, decided to break it down to stations as if the workers at one station worked for a different company than workers at another.
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B) Yes!!!! Finnaly a ray of sanity here! Bob you hit it right on the head! And I couldn't agree with that more! But I can hear aafsc now! "But that would have been "FAIR"!!! Can't have that! What happens after 10 years, and all those exTWAers come down and "steal" our jobs????"
Well, Bob is right in that it would have been a lot simpler. With 25% seniority, there are only a handful of TWAers that are senior to me as of now (hopefully they will retire soon). However, it is the nAAtives with 1 to 10 years in 25% cities (and all nAAtives in STL) that have taken a beating from the TWAers.
The twu wouldn't have done that because for one it might actually allow us to get along and the twu would be threatened if we started talking and you guys had some clear cut senority intergration language. Instead we will have a constant fight going on and the company and the company-union just sit back and laugh. It's almost 5 years since the merger and I think you guys are finally seeing how this company operates, I'm sure those on the street do.
here, here, aafsc. those here at lax with less than approx. 9yrs are bent over on a consistent basis by twaers. it seems as soon as twaers get laid off at other stations they come take up residence at lax. so, in short, this buyout has been a disaster for aaers in lax and will only get worse. though i have no ill will toward most twaers personally, when i see my naative brethren being thrown out the door of a compaany they worked hard to build, while members of a failed carrier are staying, its hard to be sympathetic. whats most galling is that instead of finding "silver lining," they(twaers) file lawsuits. disgusting!!!
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<_< Oh Boy! Where's my crying towel???? As for lax! I never heard so much B.S. in my life!!! I work with quit a few ex TWAers displaced from LAX, and some of the stories they tell would turn your stomach!!!ExTWAers were screwed there at LAX from day one!!! You can say anything you want! But you know it just as well as I!!!What Bob said makes sence! But that doesn't change what has transpired! So I guess we'll just have to wait on the Courts to see how this all plays out! With more to come!!!!Signed: You guessed it! "Just another one of aa's redheaded stepchildren!!!" P.S.--- What "silver lining"? 😉
lax is more than likely a fleetservice clerk instead of a mechanic. And the silver lining is (for TWAers) that they can bump nAAtives in 25% cities and even hold spots in 4/10/01 locations instead of having absolutely nothing.
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I have a friend who is an ex twaer in cargo. I have known him since the sixties. He has no complaints about the way he is treated by AA in LAX line cargo.
You all may know I don't sing the company song, but I thought a different observation was needed here.
yes, i am speaking from an fsc standpoint. but if the lax amt's are governed by the same (kasher)agreement as the lax fsc's, i would imagine the junior naative amt's would suffer in similar fashion, right???
wow, crying towel?? coming from a twaer is a bit of an oxymoronic view. im still learning new ways to cry thanks to many twaers, lol. but if they ever wiped their tears long enough they would see that they are not the only ones who have suffered, which was the point of my original post. naatives are suffering too. i see and hear it everyday. i have many friends at jfk, who are in a similar position. the difference is that naatives dont file lawsuits every time things dont go their way. and to clarify, the "silver lining" is that at least you all(twaers on the ramp and amt's) got something, because it could have been a lot worse...just ask your flight attendants.
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Well maybe they should, then the TWU would not get away with all that they have.
Dont you find it strange that the two areas where naative workers were hurt the most(STL being the exception), NY and CA, are also the highest cost areas where the TWU/AA get the most grief from?
These are the two areas where they get the highest amount of "NO" votes from.
The TWU/AA probably felt that by injecting a lot of TWA into those two areas they could water down resistance to concessions since TWAers had agreed to the lowest rates around and no pension. They probably figured all the ExTWAers would be so glad to be at AA that now they could push through further concessions with even less difficulty. The results of the concessions of 2003 would reinforce that belief, after all MCI pretty much pushed through those concessions.If the TWA component was removed that concessions package would have failed, so buying TWA paid for itself right there with $3.5 billion in concessions over the 5 year period.
So AA bought TWA, kept just enough of them to get the biggest concessions package in history passed, injected a lot of TWA guys into NY and CA, then got rid of what they did not need.
I have no doubt that Little and company presented this screwed up settlement to Kasher who simply put his stamp on it.
When are you guys going to start pushing for a change in representation?
The IBT left the AFL-CIO, anything is better than the TWU.
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Yes; that was proven last night as Country couldn't get enough Cityat the Country Music Awards held in the Big Apple[/u.]. Yes; us city folk know how to line-dance too.
Don't forget, that both then AA Chairman Albert Casey and then AA President Robert Crandall used to 'belt a few' in a neighborhod drinking hole on Fifth Ave in NYC, while TWA's CEO Irving Smart and COO Ed Meyers, downed a bagel and coffee just down the street.
Another note of interest, 605 Third Ave. 633 Third Ave, that's how close TWA and AA HQ offices were back in the sixties. I'm sure Al and Irving are looking down at us, laughing at our stupidity.
Now let's get back to the topic at hand.
