Labor Tensions Rise After DL/NW Merger

[tech2101]

Honestly NHBB

Once the Unions get settled in I see love and great working conditions. There are many more pro Union, highly professional Delta folks there than what is represented by some on this board. Luke, BAbb, Coop (many others, sorry if I left your names out) and a few others are the majority there...God knows we have a few Southwinds, dopes here as well.

Once NW/New Delta realizes they will have to make the best with Unions, it will be one helluva ride with a great airline! That issue however could determine if this whole thing blows in their face...cause I can tell you that it will not be a pretty sight should NW people be denied a Union.

NxNW, I lifted this posting from another board. I think it is a pretty acurate prediction of what King Richard will do with the 'New Delta/NW". This may not apply to the F/A's but rest assured that is what he will attempt with the Mechanics and Related and Ramp/COFPS:

The scabs of nwa will be safe until the union votes are done. Dickey will keep as many as he can to make the percent number as high as possible. This will put the maximum work load on the unions, and will present a false sense of security to the entire work force. "Look no one his lost their job yet". Once the union vote has been lost, the job cuts, lay offs, and repositioning of jobs will start. I am not sure if dick will farm out MSP and DTW first or reposition Delta jobs to there. However, if he dose move Delta jobs to MSP & DTW, sometime later he will end those jobs too and bring in contractors. This is the nwa way of doing things. Inflict the most pain possible, and scare the hell out of the remaining work force. The best advice for any of the original Delta employees is to say put, do not take advantage of any upward job movements. Keep whatever position you now have, and hold on tight. Without a union you will have no rights to bid back and keep a job. Never forget what nwa did to their Atlanta work force. Northwest watch all of these people move, buy new homes, relocate their families and then within three years put them all out of work. The man who did this is now on Delta's board of directors. Don't think... It can't happen to you!

For your sake, I hope the statement is wrong. But with people like southwind and dapoes in your midst...well...'nuff said.

 

[bagboy]

NxNW, I lifted this posting from another board. I think it is a pretty acurate prediction of what King Richard will do with the 'New Delta/NW". This may not apply to the F/A's but rest assured that is what he will attempt with the Mechanics and Related and Ramp/COFPS:



For your sake, I hope the statement is wrong. But with people like southwind and dapoes in your midst...well...'nuff said.

No one here has been able to answer to that very statement. We continually here from the DL camp that everything will OK and not to worry. What can any of you "kool-aid kids" say to the fact that the leadership at DL are the very same people that have destroyed the Mainline DL ramp and NW maintenance. Why should we trust these people when history tells us different?
They are guilty of many other crimes against the employees. Lets just use these two for an example here.

 

[Kev3188]

No one here has been able to answer to that very statement.

And they'll continue to not be able/refuse to, for the same reason that they never respond to questions that would require them to admit that some of things coming out of Widget HQ just aren't true.

I've been waiting for months for responses to questions I've asked, specifically about ACS; they've yet to be answered.

We continually here from the DL camp that everything will OK and not to worry. What can any of you "kool-aid kids" say to the fact that the leadership at DL are the very same people that have destroyed the Mainline DL ramp and NW maintenance. Why should we trust these people when history tells us different?
They are guilty of many other crimes against the employees. Lets just use these two for an example here.

All the platitudes coming out of ATL are mere attempts to quiet the masses. Talk is cheap. Until Anderson and his crew back their words up with action, there will be zero reason to believe things have changed. So far his deeds have only shown that he is the same as he ever was....

 

[Delta Technician]

Honestly NHBB

Once the Unions get settled in I see love and great working conditions. There are many more pro Union, highly professional Delta folks there than what is represented by some on this board. Luke, BAbb, Coop (many others, sorry if I left your names out) and a few others are the majority there...God knows we have a few Southwinds, dopes here as well.

Once NW/New Delta realizes they will have to make the best with Unions, it will be one helluva ride with a great airline! That issue however could determine if this whole thing blows in their face...cause I can tell you that it will not be a pretty sight should NW people be denied a Union.

Your assumptions as far as how many Delta employees are pro-union are probably way off base. I've seen from other posts that you pro-union peole deal in facts, lets see some. You have probably discredited yourself with this kind of post without facts to back it up. Nothing is going to blow up in anyone's face whether there is a union, not Union, voted in or not. What do you think will happen if NW people are denied a union? Absolutely nothing. If they refuse to work they will be dismissed is all. These economical times allows for employers to pick and choose among the vast work force in America.

 

[Dignity]

If they refuse to work they will be dismissed is all. These economical times allows for employers to pick and choose among the vast work force in America.

Thanks for the warm welcome...

 

[Delta Technician]

Thanks for the warm welcome...

What did my post have to do with a warm welcome. I merely stated that anyone refusing to work could be dismissed. Isn't that what you would do if you had a business and someone didn't want to work? Are you planning on not working? Maybe you should reread my post and rethink?

 

[Dignity]

Maybe you should reread my post and rethink?

I did...

Are you planning on not working?

I believe working as a team side by side and being supportive regardless...

 

[Delta Technician]

I did...

Ok, maybe a little more of what you are thinking. If I stepped on your toes, are you not wanting to work?

 

[Black Magic]

If you think the IAM is going to help keep small field stations guess again. They have no problem selling out the stations if need be. At US Air I can say the IAM union is worth next zilch. Oh and they just recently raised union dues again!! Go figure

 

[Delta Technician]

I did...

I believe working as a team side by side and being supportive regardless...

I agree whole heartedly. I am sorry if i came across any other way. I just don't see how my retort disagreed with that thought. Please correct me if you will.

 

[Kev3188]

Your assumptions as far as how many Delta employees are pro-union are probably way off base.

You're discounting your new in-laws. The ramp side is seeing lots more interest than was expected from the DL side. As for AMFA, I agree that they'll probably get nowhere at DL. In fact, you guys would be fools to adopt their CBA with it's imposed terms.

By the way, since you're allegedly a technician, what do you care if the ramp and/or F/A's organize? Maybe you have a personal agenda?

Nothing is going to blow up in anyone's face whether there is a union, not Union, voted in or not. What do you think will happen if NW people are denied a union? Absolutely nothing.

Wrong.

Line stations will be toast. That equates to lots of people out the door. Since you like to "deal in facts," why don't you show me where I can see something in writing that says otherwise?

If they refuse to work they will be dismissed is all. These economical times allows for employers to pick and choose among the vast work force in America.

Again, you're jumping to conclusions. No one wants to "refuse to work." On the contrary, they want to continue to work.

Thanks for the warm welcome...

I'll second that. :down:

DL technician, there's ~30K of us coming your way. Get used to us. The "Delta uber alles" mentality doesn't wash with us.

If you think the IAM is going to help keep small field stations guess again. They have no problem selling out the stations if need be. At US Air I can say the IAM union is worth next zilch. Oh and they just recently raised union dues again!! Go figure

Well, we have contractual language keeping 40 open. Do you think if that wasn't there, that DL would keep these open out of the kindness of their hearts? I highly doubt it.

As for closing field stations, you have your co-workers to thank for that. They ratified the nonsense that Neil Cohen was behind, such as ClassII cities, mainline express, and so on. Once he saw that you (in a general sense) bought it, he came over here and tried the same crap. Luckily, he didn't get as far.

 

[Delta Technician]

You're discounting your new in-laws. The ramp side is seeing lots more interest than was expected from the DL side. As for AMFA, I agree that they'll probably get nowhere at DL. In fact, you guys would be fools to adopt their CBA with it's imposed terms.

By the way, since you're allegedly a technician, what do you care if the ramp and/or F/A's organize? Maybe you have a personal agenda?




Wrong.

Line stations will be toast. That equates to lots of people out the door. Since you like to "deal in facts," why don't you show me where I can see something in writing that says otherwise?




Again, you're jumping to conclusions. No one wants to "refuse to work." On the contrary, they want to continue to work.




I'll second that. :down:

DL technician, there's ~30K of us coming your way. Get used to us. The "Delta uber alles" mentality doesn't wash with us.




Well, we have contractual language keeping 40 open. Do you think if that wasn't there, that DL would keep these open out of the kindness of their hearts? I highly doubt it.

As for closing field stations, you have your co-workers to thank for that. They ratified the nonsense that Neil Cohen was behind, such as ClassII cities, mainline express, and so on. Once he saw that you (in a general sense) bought it, he came over here and tried the same crap. Luckily, he didn't get as far.

Once again I will ask for proof in your statement about the ramp side or you will discredit yourself.

 

[Kev3188]

Once again I will ask for proof in your statement about the ramp side or you will discredit yourself.

That came firsthand to me from the DL143 leadership, including several folks actively involved in the campaign. Yes, I realize that signing an A card doesn't automatically mean a "yes" vote, but it's encouraging to see that DL rampers are getting invloved. Factor the NW numbers in, and it may be closer than you think.

So, again, I ask; If you're actually a technician, what do you care if the ramp organizes or not?

What about the rest of the questions I posed to you?

 

[RobertD]

You're discounting your new in-laws. The ramp side is seeing lots more interest than was expected from the DL side. As for AMFA, I agree that they'll probably get nowhere at DL. In fact, you guys would be fools to adopt their CBA with it's imposed terms.

By the way, since you're allegedly a technician, what do you care if the ramp and/or F/A's organize? Maybe you have a personal agenda?

It's becoming apparently easy to figure out.
They will be the only work class that isn't unionized!
Misery likes company, they don't want everyone else with work rules better then them.
Of course the technicians will want the same work rules the unionist will be paying for.
They know that the only non union work group will be the first to be outsourced. (jmo of course)

 

[Black Magic]

Well, we have contractual language keeping 40 open. Do you think if that wasn't there, that DL would keep these open out of the kindness of their hearts? I highly doubt it.

As for closing field stations, you have your co-workers to thank for that. They ratified the nonsense that Neil Cohen was behind, such as ClassII cities, mainline express, and so on. Once he saw that you (in a general sense) bought it, he came over here and tried the same crap. Luckily, he didn't get as far.
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The IAM should have never negotiated those stations to begin with but they did. What good is a union if you sell off people? Oh and when there is a contract to vote on the IAM will make sure that the results are tainted in the way they want...People in some stations will have to drive 30 miles to cast a vote for a contract while others get to vote right on the ramp at work. This happened with our last vote and the deciding factor for our bum IAM contract.