Layoff Numbers

[AAOHNO]

Im going to be fine just hate this company I gave 15 yrs of my life to

Understandable...it sucks for everyone...it's a race to the bottom and we have the lead.

 

[700UW]

You must have me confused, never scabbed anywhere, and I was on strike at US for five days.

Only people that destroyed this profession are the yes voters and AMFA.

Never worked at UA or NW or EA.

Never performed struck work, so try again.

 

[mwa]

Not said yet but if fleet renewal happens anytime soon then Overhaul is certainly a casualty

 

[texasreb]

Not said yet but if fleet renewal happens anytime soon then Overhaul is certainly a casualty

Tulsa will be like SFO is to United. Just a shell of itself in another five to ten years. It's a race to retirement before aircraft maintenance in the United States totally vanashes. Does not matter what party is in washington.

 

[Runwaysticker]

Tulsa will be like SFO is to United. Just a shell of itself in another five to ten years. It's a race to retirement before aircraft maintenance in the United States totally vanashes. Does not matter what party is in washington.

Yea maybe you can go down to south america and get a job signing off all the wahoos paperwork, after all you know AA paperwork.......................................................But screw that lets go fishing and watch NASCAR on the weekends since we gona have them off after 20 years...........Ha maybe not so bad after all.........................

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just a note on the pilot numbers. When the mandatory age changed from 60 to 65 in December 2007, it created a huge drop in retirements for 5 years - all that retired when 60 was the magic age were gone and no one would reach 65 for 5 years. That ends this December when the first pilots start reaching 65, so age 65 attrition will add a lot to that 400 furlough number. One of the pilots may know a number, but I'd guess 300-400 each year for awhile.

Jim

 

[eolesen]

Read the term sheets carefully -- the items with an asterisk are contingent upon a consensual agreement...

Fleet service and facilities maintenance took it pretty squarely on the chin...

And, aside from clarifying some of the changes that were in every agreement on overtime, SK, & benefits, it does look like the specialist groups who signed had the least amount of changes.

 

[Super FLUF]

One of the pilots may know a number, but I'd guess 300-400 each year for awhile.

I wish it was that high. It will be a trickle until but then it will increase exponentially in about 5 years.

The only thing that will be helpful as far as furlough mitigation in the next couple of years will be the new FAR rest rules and the training bubble that will occur as the Airbii come on property next summer.

 

[FWAAA]

Furthermore, I have looked at the term sheets and IMO the biggest battle will be over scope. Unlimited domestic codeshare and 80-100 seat jets to regionals will mean MASSIVE outsourcing (for everyone here) in the future if this ever comes to fruition.

We will not know the final numbers until after we have a mutual agreement or until the judge imposes the company terms.

You're right - I just looked at the term sheet. The scope provision is nothing like the November company offer, which had all new 70 seaters and larger at mainline. Now, a max of at least 255 regional 88-seaters (or half of mainline, if larger).

 

[texasreb]

Read the term sheets carefully -- the items with an asterisk are contingent upon a consensual agreement...

Fleet service and facilities maintenance took it pretty squarely on the chin...

And, aside from clarifying some of the changes that were in every agreement on overtime, SK, & benefits, it does look like the specialist groups who signed had the least amount of changes.

You don't consider the mechanics taking it square on the chin? I'm glad you are not on my side or I would need to donate my children to science.

 

[FWAAA]

Just a note on the pilot numbers. When the mandatory age changed from 60 to 65 in December 2007, it created a huge drop in retirements for 5 years - all that retired when 60 was the magic age were gone and no one would reach 65 for 5 years. That ends this December when the first pilots start reaching 65, so age 65 attrition will add a lot to that 400 furlough number. One of the pilots may know a number, but I'd guess 300-400 each year for awhile.

Jim

I would have thought so as well, but 461 AA pilots retired in 2011, despite none turning 65 (so they could grab their defined benefit as a lump sum before Ch 11). Here's a chart from the APA listing the number who turn 65 each year for the next 20 years:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/01/461-american-airlines-pilots-r.html

I don't know if the chart accounts for the 461 retirements in 2011, but if it does, mandatory retirements are not very large for the next five years or so. If it does not account for the 461, then practically nobody retires for a few years.

 

[Airlinelifer]

It seems like your SCAB loving iam self is more than happy to see A&P jobs leaving. It was the SCAB iam after all that helped UAL, NWA, EAL destroy my profession. I think you need to stay in your ramp threads and stay out of ours!!!!

We stayed out one day longer at Eastern fighting Lorenzo and you calling us SCABS?. AA expands their route system on the sacrifices we made which gave you more opportunities to grow with AA, and you calling us SCABS?
Inept management destroyed your profession.

Good Luck in your future endevoures, looks like your going to need it.

 

[1AA]

We're getting full retro!!!!!!!!

we have the company rite where we want them


Anymore more of you loud mouths want to tell us why we are better off in BK rather then voting in the TA.

I don't know, ask the pilots. Without a contract in place by the pilots its a mute point. We could have voted in any agreement but if the pilots did not get on board it was BK. If you did not know this then you must have been living under a rock for the last few years. Put blame were its due.

 

[eolesen]

You don't consider the mechanics taking it square on the chin? I'm glad you are not on my side or I would need to donate my children to science.

Maintenance is taking a hit, but frankly, there are more than enough of you guys here to speak for yourselves...

I don't think we have anyone from Facilities, and only a couple of FSC's who get drowned out on a regular basis by y'all.

Ramp is losing all cargo/mail, plus outsourced at what looks like any airport under 20 departures a day... That is a pretty big hit, since there may only be about a dozen stations outside the hubs which remain staffed.

In comparison, yes, I'd say Ramp and Facilities got screwed worse than you guys.

 

[Birdman]

And, aside from clarifying some of the changes that were in every agreement on overtime, SK, & benefits, it does look like the specialist groups who signed had the least amount of changes.

It appears they will lose the vacation days they gained in 2010, keep the lump sum and 3% pay increase, while suffering the same fate as all the others in regard to insurance, pensions, and retiree medical. Moral of story, strength in numbers is a farce, never underestimate the power of vengeance, and grow very thick skin if you wind up voting with 2/3rds of you coworkers.