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Aren't there all but just a few nAAtives American F/As based at SLT ???

I'm afraid you're as misinformed as the average DFW senior f/a. In the SLT base, there are 397 f/as of which 355 are active as of the latest update to the website. Of the 355 only 17 are former TW f/as. The rest are nAAtives.

When it comes to voting however, all the furloughed STL (former TW f/as) f/as vote with SLT as one base.
 
I'm afraid you're as misinformed as the average DFW senior f/a. In the SLT base, there are 397 f/as of which 355 are active as of the latest update to the website. Of the 355 only 17 are former TW f/as. The rest are nAAtives.

When it comes to voting however, all the furloughed STL (former TW f/as) f/as vote with SLT as one base.

We (the former TWA f/as) are in the process of setting up a resource, referral, and support website for ALL AA furloughed. We've become quite adept at navigating the system, from educational opportunities to insurance and job prospects. It is hoped that everyone affected will feel comfortable visiting this site. We will post when it is ready for "visitors".
 
I was referring only to those never recalled. If what you say is true why does the APFA still make reference to the STL base when the active base is SLT? According to the official numbers on the Flight Service website, there are only 397 f/as on the base roster--active and inactive. This could not possible include those furloughed, but never recalled.
 
The New York Times ran an article which discussed how many states offered unemployment compensation to employees working for companies that have been forced to reduce pay and hours of their employees. In other words, they will pay unemployment checks to part time employees to make up for lost hours. NY, and Mass are 2 of the 17. I sent this information to APFA hoping this program can be offered to F/A's as a way to reduce furloughs. I am sure many F/A's would be happy to work part time for full time pay. The state program is called Workshare. Check it out and urge APFA to MOVE on it FAST! The deadline for leaves is the end of July.
 
Paying unemployment to employees whose hours have been cut through no fault of their own is one thing. I doubt seriously that the law allows paying unemployment to someone who has chosen to work part-time--which would be the case if someone volunteered to work part-time as a furlough mitigation option.
 
Paying unemployment to employees whose hours have been cut through no fault of their own is one thing. I doubt seriously that the law allows paying unemployment to someone who has chosen to work part-time--which would be the case if someone volunteered to work part-time as a furlough mitigation option.

Actually, in prior TWA furloughs we had f/as who took leaves qualify for unemployment. It all depends on whether the Company chooses to fight the claim. We also had something called a 12B leave for those wanting to retain the choice to return at some time to flying. Their leaves ended AFTER all recalls. Jim, that type of leave would probably satisfy your issues. It was great for young mothers wanting to stay home with babies and small children. (I was in the first generation of flying mamas..how about that for dating myself)
 
Nancy, I believe with the 12B leave you had a bypass option. When TWA was doing recalls you could either come back or pass until the next recall or until everyone was recalled.

I took that leave years ago
 
The New York Times article is here. It is in the Times, but I didn't see New York state mentioned as a participant in the program. It said that 17 states participate, but the only states I saw mentioned by name were Washington (state), Connecticut and Massachusetts.

A quote from the article: "Under the program, known as work-sharing, employers reduce their workers’ weekly hours and pay, often by 20 or 40 percent, and then states make up some of the lost wages, usually half, from their unemployment funds." (bolding mine)

The article does not say that the unemployment makes up the other half of the employee's wages. It says that the unemployment makes half the lost wages. So, if the company cut your hours by 50% (I suppose partnership flying might squeak by as a qualifier), the program would cover up to half, or 25% of base pay.

However, AA is not cutting employee hours across the board which is what the article seems to be talking about. It is cutting employee jobs in toto and for only a small (compared to the total f/a workforce) part of those jobs.

But even if New York does participate and our partnership flying would qualify as an example of a company "forced" to cut employee hours, furloughs are still in seniority order; so, do you think there will be many LGA and BOS f/as take a 25% cut in pay to save a DFW, SLT, or LAX f/a's job? I hope so.

One other thing...I can't imagine AMR not disputing every single UI claim that they might get denied. Also, just a side note...I worked for the Texas state employment service for 7 years. It is a violation of state and Federal law to misrepresent your employment status when filing a claim for unemployment compensation. You have to sign a statement that you lost your employment through no fault of your own. Volunteering to fly part-time or take an overage leave is not "no fault of your own." And, you must be willing and able and actively seeking full-time employment. Drawing UI to stay home with the children does not fit that requirement. I don't care to hear about how your next door neighbor's best friend's hairdresser's cousin drew unemployment while working. There is anecdotal data on fraud cases that have slipped through. Unless things have changed a lot, there is jail time if you get caught.

There's also the issue of trying to explain to a government bureaucrat who sees full-time work as 40 hours/week at a desk that a 70-hour guarantee is not already part-time work. :lol:

When I was furloughed last time, I registered on-line (we have a pretty good system here in Texas), but I did get called in to the nearest office for an interview regarding the loss of my "part-time" job. Then after it was established that I did have a full-time job, the interviewer wanted to know if I needed the forms for filing a claim against AMR for violation of the Taft-Hartley Wage and Hour Act for not being paid for all the hours I worked--hour before departure, etc. Then I had to give the interviewer the short course in the RLA. It was a new employee so I wasn't too surprised. I remember when I was hired with the agency. I was given a one-day training class on policy and procedures (mostly the things I could get fired for, such as coming back late from lunch) and assigned a desk and a case load of unemployed workers that I was supposed to help find jobs.

Update: Went back to the article and found the sentence that will stop AMR from participating...

"Most states require employers to continue providing full-time benefits, like health coverage, to employees on reduced hours." If this would cost AMR a dime, you know they would say we don't qualify for the program.
 
Jim, well said. You have some valid points. I believe the NYT article says the unemployement comp would be somewhat more then 50% of the lost wages, maybe 75% Also. if F/A's continue to fly the min of 420 hrs per yr, I don't see why health insurance would be a problem. Why not be loud and angry about this. If AA refuses this program, it would make for some bad press if we demonstrated. I have spoken to a number of F/A's that collected unemployment while on leaves after 9/11. They were in NY and Mass. Other airlines term overage leaves Temp/Voluntary Furloughs which makes it easier to apply for unemployment. APFA really needs to find out the facts state by state regarding collecting unemployment while on a leave.
 
Taken from Jetwire...

Unfortunately, we now expect that approximately 1,600 jobs will be affected at this time, including reductions announced earlier that will impact the Kansas City maintenance base. Jobs in Airport Services, Cargo and Flight Service also will be affected. At this time, we estimate reductions in the range of 40 positions at MCIE, 300 in Airport Services, 50 in Cargo and up to 1,200 in Flight Service.
<_< ------ From what I hear, the fourty positions that are being reduced at MCI are plant maintenance people. Since they did such a good job of moving support equipment from half of the base, that AA no longer needs, to the newer, and larger half, they are no longer needed!----- Good job Guys!!!! :down:
 
<_< ------ From what I hear, the fourty positions that are being reduced at MCI are plant maintenance people. Since they did such a good job of moving support equipment from half of the base, that AA no longer needs, to the newer, and larger half, they are no longer needed!----- Good job Guys!!!! :down:
Are they offering the VBRs, if so maybe some of the oldtimers will go and save jobs for younger guys that need it more, are they doing 767 winglets in MCIE or is that on hold.........
 
Are they offering the VBRs, if so maybe some of the oldtimers will go and save jobs for younger guys that need it more, are they doing 767 winglets in MCIE or is that on hold.........
<_< ----- I hear they're down to winglets, and md80 wifi mods. As for VBRs, haven't heard! --------But, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't offered. As for younger guys, what do you call "younger"? The younger guys at MCIE have all been layed off a long time ago! Those still working are at least in their fifties, and sixties!!! :shock:
 
<_< ----- Yes Dear! ---- These are the same "old men" that have been cranking out AA's "Spacial Projects" the last few years!!!! 🙄
 
<_< ------ From what I hear, the fourty positions that are being reduced at MCI are plant maintenance people. Since they did such a good job of moving support equipment from half of the base, that AA no longer needs, to the newer, and larger half, they are no longer needed!----- Good job Guys!!!! :down:
Unbelievable well that's the AA way use and abuse and discard.
 
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