LGA mechanics get jobs back

[FA Mikey]

They work 8 hour (or 12hour) shifts like everyone else and they shift swap in order to get 24hr shifts.

Technically they arent supposed to sleep on the clock either.

Not true, most of the ones I know are scheduled by the city 24 hours on 48 hours off.

Nobody is saying the guys have a right to sleep on the job but its also unreasonable to make people work night shift 5 days a week for years on end. Its unnatural, unhealthy and has many negative effects on human beings. Will cracking down make them more productive or more miserable? No. So whats the point?

So all the firemen, policemen, DR's, nurse's, are all suffering negative effects? No they adjust there schedule and lifestyle to fit their working hours. It would be detrimental if you had to do it one or two days a week.

 

[Bob Owens]

Not true, most of the ones I know are scheduled by the city 24 hours on 48 hours off.

So all the firemen, policemen, DR's, nurse's, are all suffering negative effects? No they adjust there schedule and lifestyle to fit their working hours. It would be detrimental if you had to do it one or two days a week.

I dont know of any firemen, policemen, DRs or Nurses that work steady night shift 5 days a week year after year with as little as 5 paid days off a year. Most nurses I know work three twelves and get paid for fourty. Same with the cops.

The fact is there are scores of studies that conclude that working nights is detrimental to ones health and as with most things that are harmful to health frequency to exposure is a factor. One to two days is nothing.Its like being exposed to X-rays once or twice a week compared to getting exposed everyday.

Ive done several years on nights, have you? You dont adapt, you accept. On your days off you go back to night sleep. You exist in a permanent state of jet lag. You only have one day off a week because you work several hours into your first day off, have one day off and return to work the next night. Doing it one or two days a week is a breeze.

 

[FA Mikey]

I dont know of any firemen, policemen, DRs or Nurses that work steady night shift 5 days a week year after year with as little as 5 paid days off a year. Most nurses I know work three twelves and get paid for fourty. Same with the cops.

I am not sure I understand, so you are saying its detrimental only if you have 5 days or less paid off a year? I was also not aware mechanics only got five days of vacation a year?

The fact is there are scores of studies that conclude that working nights is detrimental to ones health and as with most things that are harmful to health frequency to exposure is a factor. One to two days is nothing.Its like being exposed to X-rays once or twice a week compared to getting exposed everyday.

Well there are studies that also conclude there is no detriment to health. Your body can develop a consistant sleep pattern by doing the same midnight shift VS throwing in a single midnight in a week of days or afternoon or the other way around.

Ive done several years on nights, have you? You dont adapt, you accept. On your days off you go back to night sleep. You exist in a permanent state of jet lag. You only have one day off a week because you work several hours into your first day off, have one day off and return to work the next night. Doing it one or two days a week is a breeze.

Why yes I have Bob, I did it before and I am currently working a 11p to 9A shift. I do fine and I am not nor was I in the past in a constant state of jet lag. Since you think it is such a breeze will you be beinging forward a plan to make all shifts work part days and part midnights? That way everyone can be healthy and no junior people get stuck on the over nights.

 

[eolesen]

Nobody is saying the guys have a right to sleep on the job but its also unreasonable to make people work night shift 5 days a week for years on end. Its unnatural, unhealthy and has many negative effects on human beings.

Unreasonable? I suppose schools should have classes at night so the janitors can clean the rooms during the daytime...

As far back as I can remember, airlines carrying people fly during the day, and get maintained overnight. Same thing with city buses, commuter trains, subways. Airlines flying boxes fly during the night, and get maintained during the day.

If you find it so unnatural, then have your union come up with an option to rotate on/off midnights the way FA's rotate on/off reserve... Assignment of shifts is the union's domain.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

Here we go again. 🙄

 

[Bob Owens]

Was there a ruling, or was there a union company agreement to bring them back? Arbitration's and rulings do not usually happen that fast.

I think he as citing a similar case.This time the union and the company came to an agreeement.

 

[FA Mikey]

I think he as citing a similar case.This time the union and the company came to an agreeement.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Bob Owens]

I am not sure I understand, so you are saying its detrimental only if you have 5 days or less paid off a year?

Sorry you dont understand, I thought the Xray example made it clear. I'm saying the more you do it the worse it is for you. Most of the professions you cited dont work regular 5 day workweeks on nights.

I was also not aware mechanics only got five days of vacation a year?

New hires only get 5 days of paid time off, thats vacations plus holidays, The norm for most workers in this country is 10 holidays and 10 vacation days for a total of 20 paid days.

Well there are studies that also conclude there is no detriment to health.

Really? done by whom? Can you send me a link?

Your body can develop a consistant sleep pattern by doing the same midnight shift VS throwing in a single midnight in a week of days or afternoon or the other way around.

Well if you have no family or friends thats fine but most people socialize during the hours that you would be sleeping.

Why yes I have Bob, I did it before and I am currently working a 11p to 9A shift.

Five days a week?

I do fine and I am not nor was I in the past in a constant state of jet lag.

See my reply to "Your Body,,,".

Since you think it is such a breeze will you be beinging forward a plan to make all shifts work part days and part midnights?

Its a breeze doing nights in a climate controlled office or cabin where conditions are the same at 4pm as they are at 4am compared doing it five nights a week in all sorts of weather. I doubt you've ever experienced the pain of frostbite trying to safety something on a frozen windswept hardstand. No matter how cold it gets it always feels colder at night. I've been theree, have you?

The point is that the guys work mids for the conveniece of the company and the company should compensate them fairly with at least a 20% shift differential. Under those conditions I may be willing to work mids as the extra pay would mean that I could work less, or maybe not if I felt the negative effects werent worth it. But under current conditions, where such high demands and sacrifices are required with no substantial compensation for those sacrifices I'd probably quit before I'd be willing to go back to steady or even rotating nights. Thats one of the reasons I dont feel that there is anything wrong with what these guys were doing. I've been there.

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[FA Mikey]

Sorry you dont understand, I thought the Xray example made it clear. I'm saying the more you do it the worse it is for you. Most of the professions you cited dont work regular 5 day workweeks on nights.

Everyone of those I mentioned has a midnight shift, except the fire dept, who work 24 hour shifts. EMT'S have an schedules 10 hour day.

New hires only get 5 days of paid time off, thats vacations plus holidays, The norm for most workers in this country is 10 holidays and 10 vacation days for a total of 20 paid days.

New hires, you mean they dont get A scale wages and vacation starting on day one? let me ask you this, are those five days those new hires get was negotiated and ratified by a majority of the membership, or is it something the company sets up on its own?

Really? done by whom? Can you send me a link?

sure no problem.

Well if you have no family or friends thats fine but most people socialize during the hours that you would be sleeping.

Lets see after the shift while the kids are at school, leaving the evenings free to socialize with family and friends.

Five days a week?

No that would mean I work 50 hours a week. Since I do longer days and a shorter week I dont count, nights dont apply to me?

Its a breeze doing nights in a climate controlled office or cabin where conditions are the same at 4pm as they are at 4am compared doing it five nights a week in all sorts of weather. I doubt you've ever experienced the pain of frostbite trying to safety something on a frozen windswept hardstand. No matter how cold it gets it always feels colder at night. I've been theree, have you?

I dont work in a climate controlled office, I am out in all kinds of weather, There are some very cold days here in Miami,but not a lot of frost bite. Not to worry I did my share of outdoor work in the Minnesota cold.

The point is that the guys work mids for the conveniece of the company and the company should compensate them fairly with at least a 20% shift differential. Under those conditions I may be willing to work mids as the extra pay would mean that I could work less, or maybe not if I felt the negative effects werent worth it. But under current conditions, where such high demands and sacrifices are required with no substantial compensation for those sacrifices I'd probably quit before I'd be willing to go back to steady or even rotating nights. Thats one of the reasons I dont feel that there is anything wrong with what these guys were doing. I've been there.

There is no convenience in 24/7 365 operation. A midnight shift is a necessity. If its the horror you imagine, negotiate a higher shift differential, VS whining about the horror of it. Most of us just know there is no rational arguement for sleeping on the job.

 

[Bob Owens]

Everyone of those I mentioned has a midnight shift, except the fire dept, who work 24 hour shifts. EMT'S have an schedules 10 hour day.

Still avoiding the 5 shifts a week question.

New hires, you mean they dont get A scale wages and vacation starting on day one? let me ask you this, are those five days those new hires get was negotiated and ratified by a majority of the membership, or is it something the company sets up on its own?

No the company set it up on their own, pushed it with lies and threats and had their boy Little sign it into place.

sure no problem.

Ok, lets see it.

No that would mean I work 50 hours a week. Since I do longer days and a shorter week I dont count, nights dont apply to me?

Working less shifts means that you have more opportunity to recover from working nights.You actaully get two days off if you only work four shifts.

I dont work in a climate controlled office, I am out in all kinds of weather, There are some very cold days here in Miami,but not a lot of frost bite. Not to worry I did my share of outdoor work in the Minnesota cold.

What do you do? Your moniker would indicate you are an FA.

There is no convenience in 24/7 365 operation.A midnight shift is a necessity.

No its a choice based upon maximizing economic efficiency. By working nights it allows the carrier maximum utilization of their equipement.

If its the horror you imagine, negotiate a higher shift differential, VS whining about the horror of it.

We would if we had a union the company wasnt paying off.

Most of us just know there is no rational arguement for sleeping on the job.

Once again, I'didnt say these guys were entitled to sleep, I said it happens, why it happens and the fact that the company has condoned it for at least 40 years. Management has the right to stop condoning it, however to sneak in with cameras and terminate was flat out wrong when all management had to do was take minor, near effortless steps, to make it clear that this time they really mean it. Terminating these workers was totally unneccisary. Termination should be for serious offenses, not the sole means of discipline.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Aircraft maintenance,,the only job in the world that you can have and get paid to sleep.

Except of course firemen, doctors, policemen and the flight crews. 😉

 

[FWAAA]

Police? Which police agency contract authorizes its officers to sleep on the clock?

I get firefighters, doctors (interns forced to work a week at a time) and flight crews. But police?

 

[FutureOSM]

This thread really has opened my eyes as to how we are unappreciated. I see the rest of the work groups attacking the people that keeps the crews and the flying public safe day in and day out. Thanks a lot for your support. I think.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Police? Which police agency contract authorizes its officers to sleep on the clock?

I get firefighters, doctors (interns forced to work a week at a time) and flight crews. But police?

It's not in the contract, silly. But you knew that, didn't you?

In many agencies, it's sorta unofficial and overlooked. It's called cooping.

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[LGA Fleet Service]

Hell, you drive around JFK in the wee hours of the morning you'll find Port Authority cops snoozed out all over the place.

I know there was one guy that used to sleep by the old TWA GSE garage at Hangar 12, and another one that used to pull his car into the pallet shed by the old Air France cargo building.