Lost Job thread. Will be interesting to see on weekly basis.

[Ms Tree]

Decisions have consequences! People say (including me) "If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one." Well the same holds true for unwanted pregancies. If you don't want to risk an ill timed pregancy then keep your pants on.

With individual liberty comes individual responsibility. They go hand in hand, like Husband & Wife (or even life partners) It was never the vision of the Founding Fathers to create a nation where the government stepped in and protected you from yourself.

So no aid to infants/child or to the mother?

 

[southwind]

Just ask any Californian how well the unregulated electricity markets were run under Enron.

Do you really want to bring California into this ?

So no aid to infants/child or to the mother?

OK! Aid ! How much and when does it end ? $1000.00 a month per child or cap at $2000.00, even if you have 8 kids ? At what point does the parent take financial responsibility for raising said child or do we pay for this child's upbringing until they have children of their own and start the cycle again ?

At what point in life, does an individual take responsibility for themselves and their actions ?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Please show me where I stated that people who have paid into the system, monetary wise or by putting their life on the line , for this country ,should not receive entitlements and stop making sh!t up

Post #79

You claimed that unemployment and SS is paid to people who do not pay into the system.

You have also gone off on your rants about SNAP recipients buying big screen TV's and driving nice cars.

Then you went off on a rant about entitlements and cradle to grave.

Make up your mind. Is it ok for military teenagers to be taken care of cradle to grave?

Is it ok for someone who has been employed for 30 years, nonstop, since they were 16 to claim unemployment for 18 months while down on their luck?

Is it ok for a military family to accept SNAP?

Is it ok for a non military family who works hard to stay off of unemployment to accept SNAP?

You were fortunate enough to be raised by a family who had union wage jobs, and here you are.

(I was raised as a military brat by a decorated veteran carrier pilot)

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

At what point in life, does an individual take responsibility for themselves and their actions ?

Thanks to union wages at EAL, your parents did for you.

 

[KCFlyer]

Do you really want to bring California into this ?

When someone makes the statement "Free markets are always better at delivering a low cost high quality solution", you bet. It isn't wise to use the words "always" or "never" in a debate.

 

[Ms Tree]

Do you really want to bring California into this ?


OK! Aid ! How much and when does it end ? $1000.00 a month per child or cap at $2000.00, even if you have 8 kids ? At what point does the parent take financial responsibility for raising said child or do we pay for this child's upbringing until they have children of their own and start the cycle again ?

At what point in life, does an individual take responsibility for themselves and their actions ?

You are missing several points.

First, what I originally asked is what is your idea to prevent the pregnancies in the first place. Why is it republican can not think beyond today and now. I believe you are against abortions. So how about you come up with an idea to try and limit pregnancies in the first place?

As to the point above I don't know. That is why I am asking. Once the kid is born that other options are over. If the mother is unable to care for the child are you advocating that she be forced (if necessary) to surrender the child? Will having the state take care of the child cost more or less? Should the child suffer due to the ignorance of the mother? Should the child mother is(talking about teen pregnancies now) have her life turned up sided down because she was not taught about how to not get pregnant? Does having an unwed teen with no education and a child benefit the country? Would it be cheaper in the long run to make sure that affordable child care, prenatal care (planned parenthood) be available for her to go to.

I know personal responsibility is a nice catch phrase but some folks do have it. How much suffering do you want there folks to endure. Would it not be less expensive to try and prevent the causes as opposed to ignoring the end result?

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Do i believe govt should take care of me from Cradle to grave?

No. Just retirement to grave. but that's just me. Some people need help from cradle to adulthood.

 

[SparrowHawk]

So no aid to infants/child or to the mother?

Not from the Federal Government. From State, Local and Charity? Of course. then each state is free to tax and spend as it feels appropriate. People of good will (of which there are many) would be actively encouraged to give more and would.

Society works best when we take care of our own, not a government with an agenda which doesn't benefit the average citizen.

 

[Ms Tree]

Not from the Federal Government. From State, Local and Charity? Of course. then each state is free to tax and spend as it feels appropriate. People of good will (of which there are many) would be actively encouraged to give more and would.

Society works best when we take care of our own, not a government with an agenda which doesn't benefit the average citizen.

Charity is too unreliable and you are subject to their rules and discrimination. What if the state cannot or chooses not to do something?

The people of good will could give now but are not doing so. Are they not being encouraged to do so? I am not so comfortable of leaving peoples lives to chance. Especially those who are unable to care for them selves such as children, elderly, vets... etc.

We are not taking care of our own. We are not even taking care of our vets whop are placing their lives on the line for us.

 

[SparrowHawk]

We are not even taking care of our vets whop are placing their lives on the line for us.

Easy way to solve this is a non interventionist foreign policy.

 

[Ms Tree]

Has nothing to do with anything. We could bring all our troops home tomorrow and we still would have 60 or 70 years worth of vets to take care of. We still would have vets from the service who would need to be taken care of.

We live in world society. We have interests world wide. Not having troops abroad while a nice idea is not realistic. I would like world peace and a pony. That too will not happen.

So what of the states who are unable to or choose not to take care of their own? What are the people to do?

 

[777 fixer]

Post #79

You claimed that unemployment and SS is paid to people who do not pay into the system.

The Fed's dont's specifically take money out of an individuals paycheck for unmeployment and I beleive there are only two states that do. So if your one of those people who get on a soapbox talking about how they paid into the system, not really.

Social security, most of us know how that works so I won't even get into that.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The company you work for pays unemployment insurance as determined by state laws.