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The item was not lost but stolen and most likely by TSA agents. I have never had anything removed from my bags in 20+ years of travel before the TSA. I now have neat or unique (not expensive) items stolen on a semi regular basis since the advent of the TSA.

It makes since, going through a bag is time consuming, seeing neat stuff to pilfer off a video screen is much easier.


I don't if one of the employees from the Trained Shoe Analyst's took the urn and neither do you. Still misses the essential point. In a FREE society, there would be no TSA it would be far easier to establish responsibility.
 
I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion above (bolded portion). The TSA has been known to search checked bags and then fail to replace items following the search. There have been news reports of travelers who have had someone else's items placed in their checked bag, along with the "we searched your bag" note from the TSA. I'm not saying that the TSA lost the urn, only that we have no evidence from the linked story to exclude the TSA from blame. Could have been a screener's mistake or it could have been US. We'll probably never know.

I want to know where you get your information. I want to know if you have ever even watchejd the tsa search a bag. There is NO way they would MIX UP bags. You do not know what you are talking about.
 
I want to know where you get your information. I want to know if you have ever even watchejd the tsa search a bag. There is NO way they would MIX UP bags. You do not know what you are talking about.

What we do know is that there are numerous claims against the TSA and Airlines over misplaced stuff.
 
What we do know is that there are numerous claims against the TSA and Airlines over misplaced stuff.
I do know that every time I check a bag, when i get it back there is always a letter in MY BAG that was sealed when I checked it..

there is a note from the TSA telling me that they opened my LOCKED bag that they opened it... and searched it...
?????? and it was in disarray a mess inside...


it happens every day...
 
I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion above (bolded portion). The TSA has been known to search checked bags and then fail to replace items following the search. There have been news reports of travelers who have had someone else's items placed in their checked bag, along with the "we searched your bag" note from the TSA. I'm not saying that the TSA lost the urn, only that we have no evidence from the linked story to exclude the TSA from blame. Could have been a screener's mistake or it could have been US. We'll probably never know.
I reached that conclusion based on the following:

The bag in question would have been in the airline's possession for 99% of the time from check-in to claim. If we are to assume that each time that bag was handled was an opportunity for the urn to disappear, and consider that for the one screener as many as 6-7 airline employees also handled that bag, then there's a greater chance that the airline lost it. This is especially true because while the screeners are on camera, employees have more opportunity to be with the bag unobserved, if theft was the motive. It's worth mentioning that in the handling process bags do sometimes open, usually only partly, but it doesn't take much for things to fall out depending on how it's packed. My least compelling reason for thinking it was US is because the news story says so, in the headline.

Rge TSA is a SCAR upon Liberty and on the United States and is absolutely useless. Face it, Bin Laden won. 11 year after 9/11 and we're still afraid of the Bogeyman.

We're less free and less safe which were his goals. Doesn't matter the specific incident as in a free society an abomination like TSA shouldn't even exist.
I disagree. I wouldn't characterize it as a scar, more like an open wound. Bin Laden probably cared little about the relative freedom of American individuals, it wasn't a big part of his strategy, and you could say he wanted the U.S. less "safe" by going to war with it I suppose, but his real aims were far more practical. Bin Laden didn't care about our ideals of liberty any more than he cared about Soviets' ideals of communism.

Before 9/11, free societies didn't worry about widebody airliners flying into skyscrapers. The reality exists that there are people that for whatever motive are willing to do whatever it takes to bring down an airliner. If screening is an apparent necessity, what difference does it make if the TSA is grazing your genitals during an enhanced pat down or paying someone else to?

In August 2002 a firearm slipped through the checkpoint and on to an aircraft in ATL. The screener that allowed this to happen was fired.

Last week a firearm slipped through the checkpoint and on to an aircraft in DFW. The TSA stated "No review of procedures was needed and that standard operating procedures were followed."

We've "Federalized", so I guess we have to wait another ten years for the "Professionalize" part to kick in.
The TSA in 2010 screened an average of 1.73 million people per day in the US. In 2011 the TSA confiscated more than 1200 guns. It would be ideal to have an entirely foolproof system, but there's no such thing. We were lucky that in neither case did the flights end up taking off. Let's check the hull penetration by firearms tally:

US Airways: 1
TSA: 0
Pax: 0

In a FREE society, there would be no TSA it would be far easier to establish responsibility.
How so?

What we do know is that there are numerous claims against the TSA and Airlines over misplaced stuff.
There are also several contractors for both which have close contact to bags. In 2010 a guy was busted who'd ripped more than $100,000 of 60 people and he worked for a conveyor maintenance company (though that article incorrectly refers to him as a baggage handler).
 
This is especially true because while the screeners are on camera, employees have more opportunity to be with the bag unobserved, if theft was the motive.

There are not always surveillance cameras on TSA employees, and the ones that are are often notoriously inoperative.

Bin Laden didn't care about our ideals of liberty any more than he cared about Soviets' ideals of communism.

The terrorists don't want to crash commercial aircraft; they want us to think they do, and have us spend a tremendous amount of money on "security". Over $8 billion will be spent by the TSA this year, while the GAO has stated that commercial aviation security is no better now that before 9/11. You do realize that the TSA Red Team failure rates are off the charts, don't you?

If screening is an apparent necessity, what difference does it make if the TSA is grazing your genitals during an enhanced pat down or paying someone else to?

Nobody should be groped by anybody.

In 2011 the TSA confiscated more than 1200 guns.

Firearms have been caught at the checkpoint for decades, there is nothing different about the last ten years, and on average just as many LEOs are caught trying to transit the checkpoint with a firearm as are regular people.
 
There are not always surveillance cameras on TSA employees, and the ones that are are often notoriously inoperative.
My opinion is the urn was lost while in the airline's possession and so US should be taking responsibility for finding it. Security screening is only one point along the process in which the urn could have been lost/removed. Given the nature of the item that's missing one of the first things I would do if I were trying to find it was check the conveyor systems, ground equipment and ramp areas of the airports involved; if it came loose of the bag it could have rolled away or underneath something. I would also be getting a hold of each passenger that was on that flight and politely ask them if they'd recovered anything strange from their checked luggage; sometimes when things come out of a bag they are put into a different one by mistake.

The terrorists don't want to crash commercial aircraft; they want us to think they do, and have us spend a tremendous amount of money on "security". Over $8 billion will be spent by the TSA this year, while the GAO has stated that commercial aviation security is no better now that before 9/11. You do realize that the TSA Red Team failure rates are off the charts, don't you?
I agree that the intent was to get America to grow as large of deficits as possible, but the danger to air travel is real. Even if the terrorists don't want to crash airliners right now they have before and they might again, though they are only one possible threat. Extremists, cartels, fringe political groups, gangs, and/or foreign intelligence operatives might at any time attempt to strike at what is actually a pretty attractive target considering the near vital importance of air travel.

Nobody should be groped by anybody.
Speak for yourself. B)

Firearms have been caught at the checkpoint for decades, there is nothing different about the last ten years, and on average just as many LEOs are caught trying to transit the checkpoint with a firearm as are regular people.
Would you rather all those 1200 guns had made it on to live flights?
 
I reached that conclusion based on the following:

The bag in question would have been in the airline's possession for 99% of the time from check-in to claim. If we are to assume that each time that bag was handled was an opportunity for the urn to disappear, and consider that for the one screener as many as 6-7 airline employees also handled that bag, then there's a greater chance that the airline lost it. This is especially true because while the screeners are on camera, employees have more opportunity to be with the bag unobserved, if theft was the motive. It's worth mentioning that in the handling process bags do sometimes open, usually only partly, but it doesn't take much for things to fall out depending on how it's packed. My least compelling reason for thinking it was US is because the news story says so, in the headline.
Thanks. Well-written, well-reasoned, coherent analysis.

I doubt anybody stole it; my assumption is that it was removed by screeners or fell out as you mentioned, and then not reunited with the proper bag. And it probably doesn't look real valuable, so it's sitting in some lost-property bin in a dark corner somewhere.
 
I agree that the intent was to get America to grow as large of deficits as possible, but the danger to air travel is real.

Air travel has never been safer, despite the never ending screw-ups by the TSA.

Speak for yourself. B)
Everyone (even rampers) should go through the same common sense screening. X-ray of belongings, walk through / hand held metal detectors, Explosive Trace Detection / Explosive Trace Portal. Nothing more, nothing less.

Would you rather all those 1200 guns had made it on to live flights?
How do you infer that?
 
What we do know is that there are numerous claims against the TSA and Airlines over misplaced stuff.

Big deal! Many people have CLAIMS that mean nothing. Where is proof of any wrongdoing....c'mon ....yes....airlines and TSA make mistakes....but they are hourly employees....and they are videoed!!! WHAT do you think they would do ???
 

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