M&E reductions announced

[3DUB]

Are you drunk, carnak?

YES.....I WAS FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS!

 

[MCI transplant]

YES.....I WAS FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS!

<_< ------ The only sane one in the bunch!!!!

 

[KCKKen]

What still really gets to me is that these jackoffs know EXACTLY what the intended goal is, and they haven't got the 'nads to TELL US. What's more the union either 1) knows exactly what the plans are and, like the jackoffs mentioned before, won't TELL US, or 2) is totally clueless, and actually will do (as Ed B. once said at MCI) "what ever it takes to make the company happy" -- regardless of who's affected.

When I left work Wednesday, I saw another of those stupid "Show Me The Shared Sacrifice" T-shirts. Amazing -- thay're too stupid to know how to get the "sacrifice" in terms that are verifiable and court-enforceable, now they want to cry about it.

As far as I'm concerned they could close MCI tomorrow. I know I'm one of the minority there (shows with the number of TWU shirt-wearing sheep) but I'm ready for them to give me my severance pay and move on.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

<_< ------ Oh Don't take me wrong! In these times anything can happen, including shutting down MCI. After all if fuel keep going up, this won't be the only RIF!!! ------ If I sound a little complacent it's because I have the luxury to able to say I can retire anytime now. With, or without AA! Preferably with! But time will tell!!!

If you can retire, please do will ya! Everyone of you high senior guys(that could retire) that are hanging around are costing a lower seniority person a position. I have never understood why someone who could get the hell out of here stays until they need a wheelchair to get to and from the gate. If you like working so much, retire from AA and go get a job at an FBO or something.

 

[TWU informer]

What still really gets to me is that these jackoffs know EXACTLY what the intended goal is, and they haven't got the 'nads to TELL US. What's more the union either 1) knows exactly what the plans are and, like the jackoffs mentioned before, won't TELL US, or 2) is totally clueless, and actually will do (as Ed B. once said at MCI) "what ever it takes to make the company happy" -- regardless of who's affected.

When I left work Wednesday, I saw another of those stupid "Show Me The Shared Sacrifice" T-shirts. Amazing -- thay're too stupid to know how to get the "sacrifice" in terms that are verifiable and court-enforceable, now they want to cry about it.

As far as I'm concerned they could close MCI tomorrow. I know I'm one of the minority there (shows with the number of TWU shirt-wearing sheep) but I'm ready for them to give me my severance pay and move on.

Now you know the TWU!

There is a t-shirt with a slogan for every issue.

It's not unionism, it is sloganism.

And what's worse is the membership accepts this as worthy representation.

 

[Joe Patroni]

If you can retire, please do will ya! Everyone of you high senior guys(that could retire) that are hanging around are costing a lower seniority person a position. I have never understood why someone who could get the hell out of here stays until they need a wheelchair to get to and from the gate. If you like working so much, retire from AA and go get a job at an FBO or something.

You know, why should the high senior guys have to retire to allow someone else keep their job. If you truly feel that way, you should be willing to do the same. You could leave just as easily to help someone else.

 

[TWU informer]

You know, why should the high senior guys have to retire to allow someone else keep their job. If you truly feel that way, you should be willing to do the same. You could leave just as easily to help someone else.

I guess 17.5% of Our-Pay, Holidays, Vacation, Sick Time, plus enough working together improvements to cause lay-offs is not enough to save the low seniority jobs, now you need to retire and get off the property. I don't remember committing to subsidizing jobs when I hired on. Next thing you know there will be a TWU Slogan on t-shirt that says "Good Union Men Give Away Their Farm and Their Life for Jobs"

 

[Joe Patroni]

I guess 17.5% of Our-Pay, Holidays, Vacation, Sick Time, plus enough working together improvements to cause lay-offs is not enough to save the low seniority jobs, now you need to retire and get off the property. I don't remember committing to subsidizing jobs when I hired on. Next thing you know there will be a TWU Slogan on t-shirt that says "Good Union Men Give Away Their Farm and Their Life for Jobs"

Well said.

 

[iluvaa]

I guess 17.5% of Our-Pay, Holidays, Vacation, Sick Time, plus enough working together improvements to cause lay-offs is not enough to save the low seniority jobs, now you need to retire and get off the property. I don't remember committing to subsidizing jobs when I hired on. Next thing you know there will be a TWU Slogan on t-shirt that says "Good Union Men Give Away Their Farm and Their Life for Jobs"

Oh Dave always one to point out the truth no wonder they dont like you. But I do

 

[Runwaysticker]

Oh Dave always one to point out the truth no wonder they dont like you. But I do

Most of us just wont to get enough years in and get out , I need 7, this industry is in bad shape, would not encourage anyone to get a A/P license, gona ride this wave till it dumps me..........

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

If you can retire, please do will ya! Everyone of you high senior guys(that could retire) that are hanging around are costing a lower seniority person a position. I have never understood why someone who could get the hell out of here stays until they need a wheelchair to get to and from the gate. If you like working so much, retire from AA and go get a job at an FBO or something.

Perhaps if Icahn had not raped and pillaged TWA and the employees there most ex-TWA AMTs would have retired by now. I do not begrudge them staying on due to financial hardships. As stated in an earlier post, I was never informed/instructed to retire at a certain age in order for a less seniority person to be recalled.

In SAN after AA bought TWA a TWA Ramper commented that if he retired he would make $140.00 a month in retirement. Incredible! After 30 plus years that is criminal. I hope Icahn gets to meet his maker the same time Lorenzo does so they can share a very warm room together for eternity.

 

[FRMR12B]

You know, why should the high senior guys have to retire to allow someone else keep their job. If you truly feel that way, you should be willing to do the same. You could leave just as easily to help someone else.

Off the subject and not a popular subject but your missing the point from Princess. MCI indicates he is financially secure and does not need this job. Princess being younger has not achieved this point yet and needs a job. Therefore the financialy secure person who doesnt need a job is preventing someone who does from working. What happened? I witnessed my Grandpa (Phillips 66)and Dad (Procter and Gamble) retire as soon as they could. They neither had glorious pension plans either it was investing and planning which we all need to do. It seems retirement is not an option to this 60 to 70 year old generation.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I wasn't referring to people who's pension got clobbered. I'm referring to high senior people who are well off financially but they are still hanging around costing less senior people a position at AA. I understand there is a guy at JFK or LGA that won the lottery yet he is still on AA's payroll. There are several high timers in Tulsa and other stations that should have retired a long time ago,yet they are still here costing someone a position.

 

[MCI transplant]

I wasn't referring to people who's pension got clobbered. I'm referring to high senior people who are well off financially but they are still hanging around costing less senior people a position at AA. I understand there is a guy at JFK or LGA that won the lottery yet he is still on AA's payroll. There are several high timers in Tulsa and other stations that should have retired a long time ago,yet they are still here costing someone a position.

<_<------Princess, There will come a day when you may conceder retiring. And on that day I'm curtain that your AA retirement will be a lot more than the approx. $600@ month I'd get from AA, and the pittance from TWA. Everything else I'm gotten in life I've got the old fashion way! I've earned it!!!The concept of seniority is known, and understood here at MCI. I've spent years on graveyard with odd days off because someone had more time than I did. I've taken the lay-offs through out the years without a whimper, because I understood someday I'd be in the position I'm in today! Now the crybabies of AA, and the TWU, have totally corrupted that concept with their legalisms!------- My point was, "if" I'm going to retire, it's going to be on my terms! Not because AA's in trouble! Or not to save a Jr. man's job! If by doing so I do! That's great! ------ I've paid my dues! Princess, you can do the same!!!!--------- Hell! I may be unary enough to stick around another ten years!!!! :angry:

 

[Bob Owens]

I wasn't referring to people who's pension got clobbered. I'm referring to high senior people who are well off financially but they are still hanging around costing less senior people a position at AA. I understand there is a guy at JFK or LGA that won the lottery yet he is still on AA's payroll. There are several high timers in Tulsa and other stations that should have retired a long time ago,yet they are still here costing someone a position.

I know of a guy from JFK who hit a jackpot at Atlantic city, sure the number sounds big but they are paid off over time. I think it comes out to $30,000 a year-enough to take the edge off and maybe allow the wife to stay home but not enough to support a family and quit working.

As far as the senior guys who still work you should remember that many of these senior guys went through several layoffs in the past so they look at them differently. Those who are laid off can go find work elsewhere with the knowledge that someday they can return however those who retire earlier than they planned cannot and will be affected by that decision for the rest of their lives. Its not really fair to ask them to make such a sacrifice.

Its easier for a younger worker to find new employment than an older worker. Instead of battling and pointing the finger at each other we should ask what the union is going to do in order to prevent layoffs such as discouraging OT, working by the book or perhaps a voluntary time share program where workers can by seniority pick days or weeks at a time to take off without pay like they do in some of the craft unions in the construction industry. I doubt the company would agree to that because they arent furloughing because they dont have enough work they are furloughing so they can reduce labor costs and try and squeeze more work out of those who remain-the end product of "Working Together"-you can thank the TWU for that.