Maintenance bases and outstations

[AA89]

The RLA allows a closed shop, it doesnt force one, that is negotiated between the company and the union.

And one doesnt have to join the union under a closed shop, they just have to pay whats germane to the CBA.

No one should ride for free.

And is it fair that unions have to represent non-members who dont pay dues who are covered under the NLRA?

Nope.
Neither is paying for subpar representation.
Ride for free? I think I'm the one being ridden but it aint free.

 

[MCI transplant]

And yet when it comes to having to representing a non-member in a potential Right-To-Work State, they spend millions in due payers hard earned money to fight the Right-To-Work Law. How Ironic is that?

"Ironic"----- What's "ironic" is that you all may benifit from the same bill you inspired to begin with! --- McCaskill-Bond!

 

[737823]

The RLA allows a closed shop, it doesnt force one, that is negotiated between the company and the union.

And one doesnt have to join the union under a closed shop, they just have to pay whats germane to the CBA.

No one should ride for free.

And is it fair that unions have to represent non-members who dont pay dues who are covered under the NLRA?

Neither should the union be imposed on any single worker who does not seek union representation. I think right to work is the most equitable approach, the union should not be given a carte blance to collect dues and impose "representation" (or lack thereof). Sure there is a the freerider problem for the unions but ultimately right to work laws drastically reduce union presence in those states as it isn't lucrative for the union to represent workers for this very reason.

Josh

 

[700UW]

And those workers also make less than their union counterparts in most cases, RTW=Right to Work for Less!

http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/truth-about-right-work-less

 

[Birdman]

RTW=Right to Work for Less!

http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/truth-about-right-work-less

Don't get us started on the TWU and "right to work for less".

 

[737823]

And those workers also make less than their union counterparts in most cases, RTW=Right to Work for Less!

http://crooksandliar...right-work-less

Fortunately, overall union membership continues to decline as does the influence of organized labor. We've seen attacks on organized labor in the private sector and now the public sector in states like Wisconsin and similar initiatives in a softer approach known as "reforms" have been undertaken in more states. When you have unions like the UAW representing student teachers at NYU you know they're hurting.

Josh

 

[Buck]

Fortunately, overall union membership continues to decline as does the influence of organized labor. We've seen attacks on organized labor in the private sector and now the public sector in states like Wisconsin and similar initiatives in a softer approach known as "reforms" have been undertaken in more states. When you have unions like the UAW representing student teachers at NYU you know they're hurting.

Josh

While overall union membership continues to decline, the need for the political base unions funding political party affairs has increased. I am not sure what this action has achieved for the workers.

Does anyone truly believe that given the opportunity, that the TWU membership would stop paying dues?

If that were the case, RTW would not be an issue.

 

[Hackman]

The same goes for your beleagered banking industry Josh. The greedy banking industry (subprime mortgage debacle, derivitive scams, preditory credit card companies, unwarranted forclosures on military families) has also a place at the bottom rung of the ladder where you rank unions. Hopefully the government will start prosicuting those gaming the system for simple greed.

Unions do have problems, look no further then the TWu. However, I would suggest you clean up you own backyard before you rail on about union downfalls. I would surmise that the dregs on Wall Street have done more damage to the country than any union ever will. Look at the lives Bernie Maddoff destroyed as a glaring example.

 

[737823]

While overall union membership continues to decline, the need for the political base unions funding political party affairs has increased. I am not sure what this action has achieved for the workers.

Does anyone truly believe that given the opportunity, that the TWU membership would stop paying dues?

If that were the case, RTW would not be an issue.

Yet you have union leaders who hailed Obama as a friend to labor and now say he hasn't done nearly enough to protect the interests of workers. Sure he did the NMB rule change and has made several pro-labor appointments to various boards including the NMB and suported (unsuccesfully) legislation like the employee free choice act, which in reality is everything but free choice since it eliminates secret elections and removes equitability in the election and certification process.

The AFL-CIO is no different to other major lobbies like the AARP, AIPAC, NRA, etc. The SEIU also has considerable lobbying efforts of their own and has had dozens of visits with Obama since his election. How do union members feel knowing your dues money is being used to support canidates you may not personally support who may not even be real friends of labor?

Josh

 

[737823]

The same goes for your beleagered banking industry Josh. The greedy banking industry (subprime mortgage debacle, derivitive scams, preditory credit card companies, unwarranted forclosures on military families) has also a place at the bottom rung of the ladder where you rank unions. Hopefully the government will start prosicuting those gaming the system for simple greed.

Unions do have problems, look no further then the TWu. However, I would suggest you clean up you own backyard before you rail on about union downfalls. I would surmise that the dregs on Wall Street have done more damage to the country than any union ever will. Look at the lives Bernie Maddoff destroyed as a glaring example.

Not sure where you're going here, it isn't remotely related with the topic at hand. The banking industry is far from perfect. Individuals and corporations are not held accountable for their actions. I am of the opinion that more regulation is necessary provided it is done correctly and increases accountability of executives and corporations. As it is many of the major banks and FIs have board members that are rubber stamps to the CEOs and are not familiar with finance or banking and simply sit on the board for perks and are often unqualified. Just look at Lehman and how the board was completely unaware of the dire situation the company was in until summer 2008 when their days were numbered. I could write a dissertation about this but will add that changes to executive compensation to better align incentives with performance is also necessary.

Bernie Madoff? Personally know several people who lost much of their lives savings to his deceptive practices. Many organizations were nearly forced to shut down in late 2008-early 2009 who entrusted him with their endowments. I know all too well.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Dues money cannot be given to candidates or parties, that is against the law.

And look at JP Morgan and its $2 billion dollar loss!

 

[Buck]

So they steal our money and give it to Super PACs.

I fail to see how Maintenance bases and outstations has anything to do with this RTW discussion. No matter what Josh, someone from another union or myself say, we at AA have had this discussion for years. Nothing changes .

 

[700UW]

Every penny a union spends is reported to the DOL, no dues money can be given to pacs.

Most unions have a PAC and it is funded by voluntary contributions from the members, not dues money.

 

[737823]

Every penny a union spends is reported to the DOL, no dues money can be given to pacs.

Most unions have a PAC and it is funded by voluntary contributions from the members, not dues money.

Yet the unions still find ways to circumvent these restrictions and requirements. Ironic that they push for transparency and accountability among corporations and anyone except themselves, conveniently. Like I said, you can deny the fact all you want but union membership, influence, and leverage in negotiations has diminished substantially. There will continue to be attacks on unions and collective bargaining rights or put in friendlier terms "reforms" but the fact remains that you have substantially less leverage today than in the 1990s and certainly in the 1970s. Again what does it say about the state of organized labor when the UAW represents student teachers at NYU? How successful were the Verizon workers at the IBEW and CWA during their strike last summer? Usually unions strike for better pay, benefits, and work rules this time they were fighting for the status quo to prevent concessions from being imposed. Through the use of subsidiaries and outsourcing many union positions have been eliminated in the airline industry. Union membership will continue to fall as the new generation of workers does not seek union representation.

Josh

 

[rotorhead22704]

I want to personaly appologize for the person that tried to prematurely divide our two groups early prior to the merger! This is obviously from an aa company plant trying to start animosity ie. hate and discontent! We, both airlines are not happy with this merger to come but we all know this is a very likely outcome.

I SAY GOODBYE HORTON HAS A WHO? Let's get someone driving that is really interested in running an airline and not screwing all the hard workers in both camps!
Technicians,Pilots,Flight Attendants and all Airline Workers should stand together to try and reverse these Greedy Bastards Heavy blade attempting to eraticate our way of life!