AA can train them, then when the FA's are on strike AA can bring them on as replacements, just like they did at NWA and TWA.
http://www.cpcs.umb.edu/labor_notes/files/08905.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-11-02-northwest-strike_x.htm
Managers ARE going to F/A training
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http://www.cpcs.umb.edu/labor_notes/files/08905.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-11-02-northwest-strike_x.htm
There were no f/as furloughed at TWA. AA CANNOT hire off the street untill all are offered recall. Once recalls have been offered then AA can hire permanent replacements. Neither did NW have anyone on furlough. I'm not familar with NWs contract but I am with both TWA and AAs.
And interestingly enough, it is the APFA own contract that doesn't have a recall bypass so if recalled you either go to training or you resign/retire.
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Yes, but...they still have to recall before hiring anyone new. That's law, not contract. The recall offered his job back must then decide whether to honor the strike. No one can be hired and put ahead of a furloughee.
And it may not be common knowledge but a replacement hired to break the strike has the same right to honor the strike if they choose. At TWA in '86 we had about 30 who were hired as scabs but then honored the strike. They had to be recalled in seniority order with the other strikers.
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They also have to cancel partnership flying and overage leaves before they offer recall. Nowhere in the contract does it say all those actions *and* hiring can't be done simultaneously. .
There's really not a lot of risk in doing so, since APFA gave up furlough pay in the RPA. Sure, it really messes with people's lives, but so do strikes.
It takes more than 17 days to qualify as an A and P ( a lot more) - If I could be replaced by someone who took a 17 day school, graduated high school and could lift a 50 lb exit door, I would be concerned about getting replaced quickly. Remember PATCO? Those positions took more than 17 days yet they replaced 1000's or them
Except that there is. After a strike is called off the company cannot hire off the street until all strikers have been returned to work.
They are free to impose the last offer on the table.
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As I understand the law, the company can replace you during a strike yet once they need any new employees you get your job back. At TWA and Eastern it sometimes took years till strikers returned back to work but they did not lose their job.
That is true. I went on strike in March of '86 and returned to the line in late May of '88. It was OUR Supreme Court decision that guaranteed your right to return. That being said, there will be permanent replacements and in any strike there are terminations.
What will also happen is you will lose company seniority for the amount of time you are out (and classification seniority). Added to the equation are those currently non members which I'm guessing to be in the 2500 number plus those furoughed. It is all a crap shoot. I know that when I made the decision to go out on strike I did so with the knowledge that I might never return. When fighting Carl Ichan it was worth it...only you can decide if it is now worth it to you.. You can only make the decision for yourself. You don't live in anyone else's "house". They will have to live with their choice.
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Spin, spin spin.
The company cant hire until they call back those on furlough. I havent heard of a massive recall where the company is filling up the training center with recalls, what we have heard is a stunt where they are putting out notices to management for FA training. Well who would be doing the managers jobs? Sure once a strike starts they can make offers to all those on furlough, they can all show up foor the 17days of training then walk out and join the others on the picket line if it actually lasted 17 days, which I doubt it will.
Have you flown anywhere lately? Load factors are at very high rates. This isnt 2005, or even 1993, which is good for the FAs. If the government stepped in back in 1997 then they would be compelled to do so mow because AA has a larger market share of several key markets than it had then and there is no way that the system could absorb a shutdown of a major carrier like AA.
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No spin, just my opinion. There's nothing in the contract that I can see which stops the company from hiring *if* they've also cleared the recall list. They don't have to wait for the last person on the list to report to training *if* they think there's a need for more than just those on the recall list. Which there would be if they're looking for replacement workers.
And yes, I'd assume that a good percentage of those on the recall list honoring the picket lines.
As for "what would the managers be doing"..... it's not much different from when management employees get activated for CARE. Priorities get rearranged for a while when a company goes into crisis mode. Since there's 1) no such thing as overtime, and 2) a lot of what gets done in management can be done remotely, they simply do their "day job" when they get back to the hotel....
And yes, I'd assume that a good percentage of those on the recall list honoring the picket lines.
As for "what would the managers be doing"..... it's not much different from when management employees get activated for CARE. Priorities get rearranged for a while when a company goes into crisis mode. Since there's 1) no such thing as overtime, and 2) a lot of what gets done in management can be done remotely, they simply do their "day job" when they get back to the hotel....
