Managers ARE going to F/A training

[700UW]

Is AA's training facility able to train 10,000 in 30 days?

Seriously, lol

 

[The Goose]

Is AA's training facility able to train 10,000 in 30 days?

Seriously, lol

The only way that could happen is by buying off the FAA - surely the AMR Corporation wouldn't do something like that.

 

[floatingon9]

Is AA's training facility able to train 10,000 in 30 days?

Seriously, lol

That would be NO! Not to mention, they have to find people to train them. New hire and recurrent instructors are all line flight attendants. This is going to be good!!

 

[ReadyNow]

That would be NO! Not to mention, they have to find people to train them. New hire and recurrent instructors are all line flight attendants. This is going to be good!!

Delta advertises flight attendant training in two locations....probably other schools out there as well

http://www.delta.com/business_programs_services/training/flight_attendant_training/index.jsp

.....not sure what the FAA min FA requirement is vs what the company actually provides....e.g. a first officer only needs a commercial rating per FAA but AA only hires pilots with an ATP...maybe the FAA mins are pretty basic and relatively easy for an FA.....

 

[Bear96]

Is AA's training facility able to train 10,000 in 30 days?

Seriously, lol

Do you and others here really think AA isn't thinking ahead a bit?

Asking for management volunteers to train as F/As is only a first step. AA will look at other sources for replacements if necessary.

10,000 F/As? AA will not be looking for that many. If it comes down to it, AA will only be looking for the minimum number of F/As necessary to keep key flights going at minimum staffing - and without the APFA CBA's restricitve work rules (meaning it will need even fewer F/As to keep a bare-bones operation running at FAA minimum rest time, maximum duty time, etc.).

30 days? Now, 700UW, as you very well know (because over the years you have complained loudly about this), it will take a lot longer than 30 days for this to play out. AA has many months - if not a year or so - to ramp up and get its replacement ducks in a row.

AA's training facilities? There are lots of facilities around the world AA can lease should it need to (though I doubt it would come to that, because AA will likely be thinking ahead regarding my above points). For example, UA has done its recurrent training for F/As based overseas for years by leasing local airlines' cabin and emergency equipment mock-ups, in LHR, HKG and other places. Surely there are similar facilities available stateside if need be.

 

[ReadyNow]

Do you and others here really think AA isn't thinking ahead a bit?

The company could go for broke - start massive training and offer the new hires the WN wages and work rules.... or maybe the B6 wages and work rules....

Imagine if AA offered the same cabin experience as WN or B6

 

[Bob Owens]

Do you and others here really think AA isn't thinking ahead a bit?

Asking for management volunteers to train as F/As is only a first step. AA will look at other sources for replacements if necessary.

10,000 F/As? AA will not be looking for that many. If it comes down to it, AA will only be looking for the minimum number of F/As necessary to keep key flights going at minimum staffing - and without the APFA CBA's restricitve work rules (meaning it will need even fewer F/As to keep a bare-bones operation running at FAA minimum rest time, maximum duty time, etc.).

30 days? Now, 700UW, as you very well know (because over the years you have complained loudly about this), it will take a lot longer than 30 days for this to play out. AA has many months - if not a year or so - to ramp up and get its replacement ducks in a row.

AA's training facilities? There are lots of facilities around the world AA can lease should it need to (though I doubt it would come to that, because AA will likely be thinking ahead regarding my above points). For example, UA has done its recurrent training for F/As based overseas for years by leasing local airlines' cabin and emergency equipment mock-ups, in LHR, HKG and other places. Surely there are similar facilities available stateside if need be.

What APFA staffing rules? Do you know what you are talking about or are you just throwing stuff out there?

 

[Bear96]

What APFA staffing rules? Do you know what you are talking about or are you just throwing stuff out there?

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Where did I say anything about "APFA staffing rules" (whatever those are)?

Care to respond to the substance of my post, or are you just throwing stuff out there as a distraction to my points?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Do you and others here really think AA isn't thinking ahead a bit?

Asking for management volunteers to train as F/As is only a first step. AA will look at other sources for replacements if necessary.

10,000 F/As? AA will not be looking for that many. If it comes down to it, AA will only be looking for the minimum number of F/As necessary to keep key flights going at minimum staffing - and without the APFA CBA's restricitve work rules (meaning it will need even fewer F/As to keep a bare-bones operation running at FAA minimum rest time, maximum duty time, etc.).

30 days? Now, 700UW, as you very well know (because over the years you have complained loudly about this), it will take a lot longer than 30 days for this to play out. AA has many months - if not a year or so - to ramp up and get its replacement ducks in a row.

AA's training facilities? There are lots of facilities around the world AA can lease should it need to (though I doubt it would come to that, because AA will likely be thinking ahead regarding my above points). For example, UA has done its recurrent training for F/As based overseas for years by leasing local airlines' cabin and emergency equipment mock-ups, in LHR, HKG and other places. Surely there are similar facilities available stateside if need be.

While there are certainly training options available to AA should they choose that path, I seriously doubt it could be kept secret for long.

So AA trains a few thousand replacements, and puts them into postion on standby.

Impass, Cooling off, 12:00 Midnight.......

12:01: APFA being fully aware of the replacements DOES NOT call a strike. AA is free to implement its last offer, but now they are on the hook for their FAs A-N-D the replacements, contrary to popular myth, not many will train and wait on rolling standby for free.

So a day-to-day stare down commences, APFA will have the replacement positions down fairly quickly, if they choose to implement some form of chaos, and if AA tries a lock out, which they very well might, then they are on the hook for unemployment bennies.

As has been mentioned prior, this is going to be interesting

 

[ReadyNow]

What APFA staffing rules? Do you know what you are talking about or are you just throwing stuff out there?

Per the AANegotiations.com site, WN flight attendants work up to 114 hours per month as compared to 77 for AA. That means AA could run the same schedule with 30% fewer FA's if they use WN work rules....I couldn't find any info on this on the public area of the AFPA website...appreciate a link to the AFPA's view of this productivity measure...

Be interested in hearing the AFPA view of this productivity gap. And I don't know what I am talking about - but trying to learn more...

 

[Bear96]

While there are certainly training options available to AA should they choose that path, I seriously doubt it could be kept secret for long.

I agree. And AA would not want to keep it secret. To the contrary, AA will probably announce its plans very loudly when the time is right. Just like the posturing and sabre-rattling APFA is doing with the results of the strike vote, AA would want APFA and all AA F/As to know full well that it is gearing up for a big battle.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I agree. And AA would not want to keep it secret. To the contrary, AA will probably announce its plans very loudly when the time is right. Just like the posturing and sabre-rattling APFA is doing with the results of the strike vote, AA would want APFA and all AA F/As to know full well that it is gearing up for a big battle.

AA may indeed proceed exactly as you suggest. That said, doing so would make it easier for APFA to craft a suitable counter.

We'll soon see, one way or another.

 

[nbmcg01]

I find the "outrage" over a proposed 17 day training funny. Not experienced as those now flying? Keep telling yourselves that... There are an awful lot of well trained f/as that simply need to learn different commands and terms. This will be interesting to watch.

 

[jersey777]

Per the AANegotiations.com site, WN flight attendants work up to 114 hours per month as compared to 77 for AA. That means AA could run the same schedule with 30% fewer FA's if they use WN work rules....I couldn't find any info on this on the public area of the AFPA website...appreciate a link to the AFPA's view of this productivity measure...

Be interested in hearing the AFPA view of this productivity gap. And I don't know what I am talking about - but trying to learn more...

First of all, they could only impose rules that were in their final offer and no where has AA proposed a 114 hr month. Try up to 95. As far as 114 hr rule for Southwest, I would love to see a WN bid sheet. If they were to schedule their flight attendants that much then they would be working almost 20 days per month which I am very skeptical. The fact that you gather your information from AA negotiations is only giving you one side of the picture. We at AA are able to fly as many hours in a month or as little as we want. Several flight attendants fly way more then 114 hours because all you have to have is ten 24 hour rests at your home base. I think all this conjecture about replacements is way overblown because in my opinion the company and union are not that far apart. We WILL be scheduled to fly more hours per month. The only question is how many. My guess is that the difference will be split between 77 and 95.

 

[jersey777]

The company could go for broke - start massive training and offer the new hires the WN wages and work rules.... or maybe the B6 wages and work rules....

Imagine if AA offered the same cabin experience as WN or B6

I would love to have WN wages and work rules. They make about 40% more hourly wage (our 45 dom to their 64 per credit) and they don't schedule their flight attendants to work more then 12 hour days. We at AA can go up to 13 on domestic.