Master's Degree in Science for Creationism

[Garfield1966]

Master's Degree in Science for Creationism

A Texas legislator is waging a war of biblical proportions against the science and education communities in the Lone Star State as he fights for a bill that would allow a private school that teaches creationism to grant a Master of Science degree in the subject.

Seems to me as an employer all you need to do is check the accreditation of the university and check the degree. If I were an employer and saw had someone submit an application with a Masters in Creationism, it would get placed in the trash and I would move on.

 

[Garfield1966]

Prejudice? Education, for it to have any credibility must be based on certain foundations. There are people who believe in magic, flat worlders, ghosts and what not. Some of them may or may not be true (flat worlders aside). Do you want degrees in those disciplines as well?

Science tries to disprove it's self in order to advance it's self. Would you have wanted the Write brothers to design their aircraft with the same scientific standards as those who advocate creationism?

People are free to believe as they see fit. I have no interest in schools teaching wica, creationism, voodoo, or any other 'belief system'.

Evolution is a theory that is constantly being challenged and as of yet, no one has come up with anything more viable with a shred of evidence that would stand up to scientific method.

Prejudice? Call it what you want but any school that gives a degree in creationism is joke and should be treated as such.

Having said that, I do not see how a state can prohibit a private institution fro doing as it sees fit. Just yank their accreditation and call it a day. That way wen I as an employer check out an applicant I do not need to dig so hard to separate the quacks from the true graduates.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Truth be told Piney,.....if it were not for my Native American like "belief system", I'd be a Hard nosed evolutionist, simply because their evidence get stronger and stronger as the years go by !

 

[delldude]

And the contributing government support from the early days has left these people as stark reminders of how government intervention does not work..........even to this day :down:

 

[Garfield1966]

No government intervention works? Education has to have standards other wise the degree is worthless. Transportation needs to have safety standards otherwise. Building codes. Health code. Food and drug safety. Yes Dell, sometimes it does work.

As for the Native Americans, some of the problems might attributed to the broken treaties ans stolen land and stolen history/culture. Just maybe.

 

[delldude]

As for the Native Americans, some of the problems might attributed to the broken treaties ans stolen land and stolen history/culture. Just maybe.

There you go.............just proved my point.

 

[Garfield1966]

Well then if the their beliefs are a joke and the degree is quackery. then.

Then Homosexuals are sick twisted perverted deviants worthy of extermination.

When you can prove creation science is untrue, Let me know.

When you can prove Evolution let me know

You can't prove your statement anymore than I can prove mine. That's why I'm very tolerant of people who think differently than I.

Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. This would be one of those times.

Yanking an accreditation because you don't believe as those who issue the degree do? That's rather Hitleresgue don't you think?

Easter bunny, Santa, Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns, Klingons, Vulcans .... let me know when you want me to stop. Can't "prove" they do not exists but I am retty sure they don'tp. Can't prove an negative like that. There is a huge fossil record to substantiate evolution. The fact that you choose to ignore it is your choice.

Just look at the Galapagos. There are species that exist found no where else on earth. They are genetically similar to animals found else where but evolved in order to survive. Marine Iguana are but one example.

Science has carbon dated the earth to be far older than a few thousand years old. It has proven that man and dinosaurs have never walked on the planet at the same time.

Religion may believe as they choose. I never said anything about persecution or extinction base on belief. I said it should not be sanction by the state. Homosexuality has nothing to do with this conversation as far as I can see.

No it's not draconian. It is maintaining a standard. Do you really think American Science would have any standing internationally if a degree in Creationism has the same standing as a degree in micro-biology?

BTW, creation science? Science tries to disprove it's self in order to verify the theory or disprove the theory by applying scientific method. Religion just says 'believe it". Have "faith". That is not science.

 

[Garfield1966]

Yea, you're right. Earth is only a few thousand years old and man walked hand in hand with the T-rex.

I have no problem believing are random. Not sure what the big deal. They all it faith for reason.

Atheism is faith like bald is a hair color.

As for the idea of the free market. I do not believe it works. History is littered with great ideas that were killed by the 'free market'. Tucker comes to mind. The airline that AA shut down in Love Field? If you have a few schools free market might work, wen you have thousands, there needs to be some sort of standard.

 

[Garfield1966]

So anyone can produce a drug based on what ever test they choose and it is up to me to figure out if it is safe or not? Cars don't need to meet standardized safety tests? Planes? Trains? Medical supplies? Food goods? Why should education be any different? Ford got to be Ford with out any over sight as well. They made the Pinto because oversight was lacking.

Harvard, Yale and a few others set the standard that others are now required to meet. A typical employer does not have the means to verify whether or not ICB is a legit education facility or a joke. IIRC, there were quite a few people found in civil service that received degrees from mills. How would a mom/pop company figure that out? Do you want your doctor or pilot coming from one of these institutions and hope that the Hospital or airline has done their due diligence?

 

[Garfield1966]

I am not surprised that there are ways to circumvent certain processes but that is not a justification for tossing out all standards. I imagine most doctors in major hospitals come from well known accredited schools that abide by a set standard.