math 101 doesn''t add up

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Bob,
Thanks, for your posts, there are alot of things that I agree with you. One about the "conflicts"is one of them, but it seems that when you say liquidation some just run scared. But I also think management made sure the deck was stacked in their favor, Like saying if you made under $30,000 they wouldn''t take anything from you only to lay them off right after the vote. I also agree with your late post on number 2, we''re out of here with our money, let the other guy take the heat. As you said I will prepare for the next battle and I know that I will do everything in my power to beat Austin at his own game.
 
Technically, U should have a profit for the quarter based on the huge influx of money they recieved (unless they burn through it all), thus, ending the contractual 5% deferral. The unions should bear down on that angle with the same gross misinterpretations as the company on other issues.

Metaphorically, the contract signing was more of a ''pull the plug on life support''. ''You need this don''t you? Sign here or we''ll pull the plug.''
 
Please find me a "professional" negotiator..A LAWYER isn''t one, so don''t even think he/she is..Rank and File are the best at it...they know the business
 
The IAM uses lawyers and financial advisors along with International, District Reps and rank and file members to negoitate a contract.
 
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On 6/28/2003 10:23:23 AM Justaramper wrote:


Please find me a "professional" negotiator..A LAWYER isn''t one, so don''t even think he/she is..Rank and File are the best at it...they know the business

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Fine Ramper. You continue to go head to head with the company hired guns. We are looking for a better option.

A320 Driver

GIVE IT BACK!!!!!
 
The IAM did nothing for us this time. They did look out for the members in the large stations, but at the others expense. Most if not all of the smaller stations will be Expressed, which gives them the "Poverty" wage of $13.01-the 5%...great deal. Anyway, it would have been big of the IAM to fight and get us at least what CO Express earns...$16+ an hour. Now with my 25 years, I can look over at the CO rampers working a Beech 1900 making more than me..and with half the time on the job to boot. I will be loading 70+ passenger RJ''s and maybe even working 1 or 2 737''s a day. This says it all...Thanks to the IAM for sticking up for the small guy, or should I say for Sticking it to us.
 
I still can''t believe that I paid dues for this " protection"....I hope my dues will get cut in half, just as may pay has. To make matters worse, CO is non-union...and Dave came from there...maybe the IAM could have pressed him a bit to equal what CO Express got....to late now, but maybe in 2008 we can do better.
 
Wings...theUnion, yours and mine has all the people at there disposal, so in negotiations they are used for there "wisdom"...I''d take Bob Bush of the IAM anytime in my corner. Problem is , that he charges about $300/hr. for his work

Do you think a Lawyer could explain a duty rig to you or how to bid a schedule..? He is there for "scope" problems, not your work rules..Go ahead hire the best you can find...Just figure out how you can afford his services..They would have to triple your dues in order to just pay him..

The grass is NOT greener on the other side..
 
Bob...The negotiations are about out-smarting them, NOT showing your muscle and tearing up the place. Dramatics will only get the company to walk away from the table and NOT return until you have calmed down, then who "wins"...They do..! Because the next "offer" is worst then the first one..Negotiations are not like a Hollywood movie {F*I*S*T}.

Use your brain and get them into a corner and things do happen, for the good of the membership...Play "toughguy" and you only lose more than you ever had. But I will agree that there is a time for sreaming, it just has to be done at the right moment

There are many good negotiators in the breakrooms, it''s just that they are negotiating with themselves and thats the easiest part.
 
LavMan, I do realize that there were some positive changes when we got our first contract. These were during better times, and required less of a fight. During the bad times that we are now in, the IAM fight has focused more on the Hubs than anyone else. You can''t walk in my shoes until you are brought down to $12.50 an hour with the 5% cut. I have been taken back to what I earned in 1983....I''m sure you can''t say that is true for yourself at this time. The IAM could have pushed for better than $13 an hour for us, while a non-union Express carrier was making $16+...we in the samller stations we sacrificed for the others...is this fair to us since we pay the same dues????I think not.
 
Wings, I took 3 paycuts as I got knocked back down to a lower classification, donw $800 a month in wages alone.
 
That is a big cut, but still $200 less than what mine is by going to mainline express..$1000 a month..plus the other cuts before the Express hammer...total damage near $1500 a month. To say the least this is dispicable for the company to do to ANY employee.....now looking at reduced energy bills, free school lunches etc. And we can''t forget that my IAM pension will now be cut in half too...work till I''m 75 for $13.01 an hour...what a great deal I paid $40 a month in dues for....I hope you get the picture a bit clearer now.
 
You have the choice to transfer and keep your pay rates instead of taking mainline express wages.
 
Yes I do. I can''t justify selling the house, uprooting the kids from school, only to get hit over the head in another place at a later time. IF this company was close to STABLE, I would consider it. Moving for this sinking ship airline is not worth the trouble. With some luck I will find a better job where my pay will increase with time unlike this outfit.
 

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