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Bear96:

You forgot some key points like two separate sources, both who are very reliable, both told me United is shopping TED's assets around and they're "'for sale". Moreover, the new US airways is apparently an interested buyer.

There are four other key points:

-- If United has to sell assets and Tilton has fought this in the past, during "Project Minnow" (UCT) discussions for example, US Airways would be a logical suitor because on Tuesday the carrier will have more cash relative to its size than just about every airline but Southwest, according to Doug Parker.

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-- By selling assets to US Airways this flying would remain within the domestic alliance, which would permit United to keep some of the revenue.

-- The ALPA fragmentation clause would eliminate a messy employee transfer. With that said, the UAL ALPA Negotiating Committee did not do very well when they negotiated a contract with a 25% fragmentation clause.

-- Meanwhile, let's not forget AWA ALPA MEC chairman J.R. Baker recently wrote in a letter to all pilots, "Last week (at the joint US Airways-America West MEC meeting), we received two very enlightening presentations from our hired industry experts. Our investment bankers and ALPA financial analysts talked about the strengths and weaknesses of the merger with AAA and the status of the industry overall. This was followed by a presentation from our merger attorney and his industry analyst who reviewed the industry from a merger perspective. Needless to say, things remain chaotic for the domestic airlines financially, and we should expect more consolidation as a result of the expected bankruptcy filings from other U.S. carriers."

"In other words, there is a real likelihood that as America West (soon to be US Airways) pilots, must be prepared and ready to fight a second merger or fragmentation on the heels of this pending merger," he said.

Did you note that Baker said the word "likelihood"?

Will something happen? I do not know, just like I did not know whether or not “Project Minnowâ€￾ -- the ICT -- would close, especially since Glenn Tilton did not want that potential or fragmentation to proceed. However, the parties are talking about a deal again and it will be interesting to see if something unfolds this time.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Ahh once again the master of misinformation posts.

What sources? You have given none, it is just rumors.

Second Baker was refuted by his own union the very next day:

Baker knows nothing about any discussions with other carriers or any specific deal that may be in the works, a union spokesman said yesterday in response to Baker's letter, sent to pilots Friday.

Instead, he said the speculation reflects the growing talk about more consolidation in an industry now expected to lose $7.4 billion this year, according to a report issued yesterday by the International Air Transport Association.
 
700UW:

How many times do you have to be told, never mind, that I do not destory the confidence of those who provide me information. I will not reveal their indentiy to make you feel better, just like when I predicted the 2000 UAL-US merger attempt on March 3, 2000, the AMR carve out, the AMR amnbivalence, the 21-day Hart-Soctt-Rodino Act notice, Project Minnow (ICT), the MDA sale, etc. and I would not reveal those sources either. Did you miss those reports too?

In regard to Baker, ALPA's communciation’s committee back peddled because Baker got in trouble because he has signed a confidentiality agreement and there could have been a SEC violation, but how would you know? You were not there or a part of the union.

By the way, “do not let the facts get in your way,â€￾ again.

Any way, I'm done for now exposing your character and lack of understanding, again, because I know it's tough on you being wrong.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
because I know it's tough on being wrong.

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You should. You are wrong 98% of the time. Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. 😀

Here's my prediction for tomorrow:

Some planes will take off.


Remember, who was the first one to report it??? ME!!!!
 
USA320Pilot said:
700UW:

How many times do you have to be told, never mind, that I do not destory the confidence of those who provide me information.

[post="305444"][/post]​

Just by posting this information on this website, you are destroying their confidence since leaks like this can EASILY be traced.

Of course, judging by how rarely your "insider" information is correct, I have a feeling no one has anything to worry about. Most of your "insider" information amounts to a hodge-podge collection of employees rumors, bits and pieces of news articles and pure guesswork. You simply weave it altogether and create your "inside" information.

It's truly a sad thing that someone who should be a respected professional has to sink so low.
 
"In other words, there is a real likelihood that as America West (soon to be US Airways) pilots, must be prepared and ready to fight a second merger or fragmentation on the heels of this pending merger," he said

again, you make absolutely no sense. why pray tell would Baker want to be prepared to FIGHT an acquisition of a bunch of A320's without employees. Most people want new jets. 🙄
 
What never seems to get mentioned in all of this is that the "new" US Airways is still being forced to return several dozen jets. That being the case, is there any reasonable reason to believe that the Tempe based airline would actually be in a position to purchase anything?

The answer is a resounding no, since presumably it would be interested in keeping the airbii it is losing first, and going after other assets later.

This is only the most obvious reason--the others include (but are certainly not limited to) the fact that United won't part with these assets without assurance they continue to feed the UA hubs--which would defeat the purpose of US buying them in the first place--US could very easily obtain aircraft simply by renegotiating with GECAS to avoid the return of some of it's own aircraft.

Perhaps the TED chunks in this "theory" (and I say that firmly tounge in cheek) are the next coming of the "competitive LCC response" (a certain poster coined that phrase to refer to MDA, which was promptly hocked to Republic).

Moral of the story? Don't believe everything you read.

In other news, sources indicate that the purchasing pattern of US for certain key space parts for the Airbus fleet indicates that it will continue to shrink as imagined by GECAS. These same sources also indicate no changes in the purchasing pattern for UA's Airbus fleet.

Reality check at 11.
 
Busdrvr said:
again, you make absolutely no sense. why pray tell would Baker want to be prepared to FIGHT an acquisition of a bunch of A320's without employees. Most people want new jets. 🙄
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Oh my gosh - a voice of reason in the wilderness.....

Jim
 
USA320Pilot said:
700UW:

How many times do you have to be told, never mind, that I do not destory the confidence of those who provide me information. I will not reveal their indentiy to make you feel better, just like when I predicted the 2000 UAL-US merger attempt on March 3, 2000, the AMR carve out, the AMR amnbivalence, the 21-day Hart-Soctt-Rodino Act notice, Project Minnow (ICT), the MDA sale, etc. and I would not reveal those sources either. Did you miss those reports too?

In regard to Baker, ALPA's communciation’s committee back peddled because Baker got in trouble because he has signed a confidentiality agreement and there could have been a SEC violation, but how would you know? You were not there or a part of the union.

By the way, “do not let the facts get in your way,â€￾ again.

Any way, I'm done for now exposing your character and lack of understanding, again, because I know it's tough on you being wrong.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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Dart Thrower....

My sources tell me UAL is actively engaged in lining up financial sources to aquire
the international routes and A340's used by AWAair.

This will dovetial with the stated plans of Mr. Parker to be the largest domestic LLC in the US. 8 737-500's currently parked in Goodyear AZ will be partial payment.

This deal put together by Airbus Industries will occur after UAL exits bankruptcy and will also involve new orders of more than 25 A340's.

This will be an asset exchange only.

How come you never respond to my posts!!!! Because you know I'm always right!!!
 
I believe other corporate combination options would be CO acquring UA and a NW & DL merger.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Busdrvr:

Not when you can get used aircraft on "the cheap". I have no idea why the parties are talking or why UA is shopping around assets, but I understand they are.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
Busdrvr:

Not when you can get used aircraft on "the cheap". I have no idea why the parties are talking or why UA is shopping around assets, but I understand they are.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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right.... You need to be ready to fight the acquisition of "cheap" jets.... 🙄 As usual, your argument makes absolutely no sense.
 
busdrvr,

Can you tell us how many A320's make up the Ted operation? Reason I ask is the latest info I can find shows that UA doesn't own enough even if they all had Ted paint - they lease the rest.

Jim
 
BoeingBoy said:
busdrvr,

Can you tell us how many A320's make up the Ted operation?  Reason I ask is the latest info I can find shows that UA doesn't own enough even if they all had Ted paint - they lease the rest.

Jim
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If I beat Busdrvr to the punch....let me answer.

By the end of this year, the TED fleet will consist of 56 A-320's out of 97 total on property. We also have 55 A-319's.

As far as to which ones are owned/leased....I don't feel like spending that much effort over this rumor to do that much research.

DC
 
BB,

ok from the UAL 2004 annual report UAL owns 42, and leases 55 A-320's.

DC

Might that have changed since March of this year? Perhaps but one way or the other UAL owns and leases 320's.... 😱
 
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