Mediated Talks for AA and TWU

[TWU informer]

My take on these mediation sessions is less than most are expecting.

IMO, during the motion hearings, Judge Lane heard both sides claiming the other side was not negotiating and these sessions are a way to conclude which side is and/or is not willing to move.

I believe his decision will hinge on what Judge Peck tells him that is observed.

If company does not move towards the Union, then NO ABROGATION.
If the Union does not move towards the company, then ABROGATION AFFIRMED.

If both sides show willingness to move, then more mediated sessions and an extension on his decision.

In other words, these are observed negotiations to obtain the truth.

 

[Flying low]

I forsee a vote very close to the Jun, 22 deadline with two choices from the TWU.

1. Vote yes brother

2. Vote no to abrogate.

DUH....

 

[Buck]

DUH....

And you have something more to say, surly?

The TWU will do everything possible to create havoc by delaying the vote. I take it that you are a yes voter and a life long TWU member?

 

[jimntx]

Tom Horton, chief executive of parent AMR Corp., said the talks would be mediated by a bankruptcy judge...

Shouldn't a mediator be unbiased?

Not THE bankruptcy judge...A bankruptcy judge. Judge Lane is just another judge in the same district (I think). He is not directly involved in any part of the AMR bankruptcy other than he has agreed to serve as mediator in the ordered talks. As has been pointed out above, both sides have been claiming that the other side has not been bargaining in good faith. Our judge has decided to ask another judge to determine if either side is telling the truth.

 

[jimntx]

Meant to say Judge Peck is just another judge. Judge Lane is our bankruptcy judge. The edit feature on the "new" Airlineforums.com does not seem to work. It let me change Lane to Peck, but then when I tried to post the change, it said that my post was empty.

 

[Flying low]

And you have something more to say, surly?

The TWU will do everything possible to create havoc by delaying the vote. I take it that you are a yes voter and a life long TWU member?

So, only you can provide one-liners
Of course the vote can only yes or no. There is no maybe!!!!
To answer your questions,
Voted no, yes TWU member, but not for long!!!

 

[Buck]

No anyone can throw one liners.

I just really have no trust in the TWU leadership.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Two days.... 11 days.... six years...

... snip

What it all comes down to is how willing you are to do a deal.

What it really boils down to is the question of how to pacify 6% of the voters to make this cluster pass by 1% - assuming, of course, everyone voting will take the time to read what's being offered and not automatically vote no.

 

[NYer]

🙁

 

[NYer]

My take on these mediation sessions is less than most are expecting.

IMO, during the motion hearings, Judge Lane heard both sides claiming the other side was not negotiating and these sessions are a way to conclude which side is and/or is not willing to move.

I believe his decision will hinge on what Judge Peck tells him that is observed.

If company does not move towards the Union, then NO ABROGATION.
If the Union does not move towards the company, then ABROGATION AFFIRMED.

If both sides show willingness to move, then more mediated sessions and an extension on his decision.

In other words, these are observed negotiations to obtain the truth.

Under bankruptcy, who say's the Company has to move towards the Unions. 20% is 20%.

I bet Judge Peck is there to make sure '03 and USAir is not issues being discussed during this last ditch mediation and it also takes away any possible arguments during the appeals by the Unions because the AA won't move towards us. I was happy how I voted, but I think I made a mistake.

 

[Buck]

If the last vote was not a negotiated action, but a settlement proposal from the company,then how can there be a me too clause:

Shouldn't the company be handling this me too clause from the faction of the five?

 

[Bob Owens]

Under bankruptcy, who say's the Company has to move towards the Unions. 20% is 20%.

I bet Judge Peck is there to make sure '03 and USAir is not issues being discussed during this last ditch mediation and it also takes away any possible arguments during the appeals by the Unions because the AA won't move towards us. I was happy how I voted, but I think I made a mistake.

20% of what?

The company argued in court that AA has a "Labor cost disadvantage" , our share of that labor cost disadvantage they felt was 20% (but their "Ask" is to reduce total maintenence costs by 20%, not Maintenence Labor costs), when the Union asked if they factored in outsourcing, which drives down labor costs but increasess non-labor vendor costs, which is how AA's competitors were able to drive labor costs lower than AA, the company claimed that we had to stay with an "Apples to Apples" comparasion and could not factor that in. So I say fine, the fact that we do not have language like some of our peers that would bring A320 and B787 work in house means the company will be able to lower labor costs by at least $762 million a year, thats without changing a thing in our current agreement. That means we can meet their number and have over $500 million to restore our Pay, Holidays, vacation sick time etc back up to Industry rates. Their numbers, their arguement, if "Labor Costs are the prblem", fine, lets address it.

The company said something else, they said that their non-labor CASMS were "In line" with the rest of the industry, well to me thats a problem, With all the insourcing that AAdoes, and I think we all can agree that if you do a much higher percentage of work in house that you would expect that you would have higher labor costs than competitors then on the flip side you should have much lower non-labor costs than your peers. The question is why are their non-labor costs only "in line" shouldnt they be much-much less than their peers?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Q. Are there any planned changes to the 10 paid holidays for the Management/Support Staff groups similar to the ARP group's reduction from 10 to five paid holidays?
No. American does not plan to make changes to paid holidays for the Management/Support Staff workgroup. Upon reviewing all possible restructuring changes, it was determined that changes to holidays for this group would not result in significant savings. Beyond the financial considerations, the industry average is 8-10 holidays

Yep would not want them to fall below industry average! Que the management apologists!

 

[Mr Red]

Memorial Day is not even a paid Holiday,And they call this company AMERICAN airlines.