Mexican Trucks will NOT cross the US border

[local 12 proud]

No, you stated that W should have sealed the MX border. I am asking 1, why close the MX border while leaving the rest of the nation exposed and 2, how could we close off tens of thousands of miles of border much less afford to do so. I would hope Clinton or who ever becomes POTS has the common sense to realize that the idea is neither affordable nor realistic.

You are deranged if you think we have'nt the capability of securing our borders, just as you admitted that 500 billion would go a long ways.

Problem is just as bears alludes to, there is no incentive to close them!

Let a couple of nukes make wasteland of a few US cities and see how fast it happens Garfy! :blink:

 

[Garfield1966]

I would argue that you are deranged if you think we could successfully close off thousand of miles of US border.

Just a few number for you to chew on.

CA - US border Atlantic to Pacific - 3987 miles
Pacific to Artic - 1538 miles

MX - US border - 1951 miles

And then there is the cost line - ANOTHER 80,000 MILES

Total cost line of the US is 88,000 miles.

And you want to secure that how?

US borders

500 billion would not make a dent in what would be required to secure it.

 

[local 12 proud]

Poor soul...he was just too high strung! B)

 

[delldude]

I would argue that you are deranged if you think we could successfully close off thousand of miles of US border.

Just a few number for you to chew on.

CA - US border Atlantic to Pacific - 3987 miles
Pacific to Artic - 1538 miles

MX - US border - 1951 miles

And then there is the cost line - ANOTHER 80,000 MILES

Total cost line of the US is 88,000 miles.

And you want to secure that how?

US borders

500 billion would not make a dent in what would be required to secure it.

First, I believe the issue here is Mexican trucks not complying with US DOT standards and being given free access to our highway system...you know a double standard like dealing with Muslims.

Second,as to your inference about borders....I think Ivan did a real good job and set a pretty good example on how to seal borders soon after the Big One.

 

[local 12 proud]

First, I believe the issue here is Mexican trucks not complying with US DOT standards and being given free access to our highway system...you know a double standard like dealing with Muslims.

Second,as to your inference about borders....I think Ivan did a real good job and set a pretty good example on how to seal borders soon after the Big One.

Maybe one of those Mexican 18 wheelers with substandard brakes will squash a few kitty's!!!!

.....As for as closing borders, Gar knows that it will not happen with either party and chooses to bury his head in the sand. Ya know the proverbial cop-out!

 

[Garfield1966]

First, I believe the issue here is Mexican trucks not complying with US DOT standards and being given free access to our highway system...you know a double standard like dealing with Muslims.

Second,as to your inference about borders....I think Ivan did a real good job and set a pretty good example on how to seal borders soon after the Big One.

If you will take the time to read locals post he said the border should have been closed on 9/12/01. Had nothing to do with MX trucks coming to the US.

If you do not see the difference between Russia and the US in terms of money allocation and the way in which the countries are/were run then I do not know what to tell you. Suffice to say, in Russia the government did not spend nearly as much on keeping the people happy as they did on keeping the people in line. Also, the freedoms that we enjoy would not sit to well with sealed borders and inspections of every vehicle entering or exiting the US.

Did you ever go to East Europe when it was under Russian control? Talk about a PIA.

As for locals comment about substandard MS trucks. What makes them more dangerous than the sub-standard US trucks currently on the road? Have you ever looked at some of the trucks on the road. They look like rolling dead. Bald tires, body damage .. got to wonder how they pass inspection. Drive down any stretch of freeway ad you will see tire carcases all over the place. Yea, I feel safe.

 

[local 12 proud]

Yea, I feel safe.

Help is on the way!!!!!!!

 

[delldude]

Recaps pop off all the time Gar....what those truckers have to face is the state police DOT unit and federal on spot inspectors.They are all over the highways....and they fine quite heavily.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Recaps pop off all the time Gar....what those truckers have to face is the state police DOT unit and federal on spot inspectors.They are all over the highways....and they fine quite heavily.

And Mexican trucks would be treated the same way in the U.S., and in Mexico and on borders during inspections.

 

[local 12 proud]

And Mexican trucks would be treated the same way in the U.S., and in Mexico and on borders during inspections.

Sure they will...More than 16 million cargo containers reach our shores each year, yet only 5 percent of them are inspected.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Sure they will...More than 16 million cargo containers reach our shores each year, yet only 5 percent of them are inspected.

Are you seriously trying to compare cargo containers to Mexican Trucks??? That is laughable. First, under the agreement, only 100 Mexican Truck companies would be allowed to send trucks into the U.S.. I am not sure how many trucks that includes, but I can almost guarantee that it is much less than is included in the cargo containers arena. Second, the infrastructure isn't there to inspect the cargo containers, but it is there to inspect the trucks... they have been doing it for years on U.S. trucks as DellDude elequently pointed out. They will be treated the same as, and inspected the same as the U.S. trucks.

Edit: The Department of Transportation authorized a maximum of 100 Mexican trucking companies to participate in the program. Preliminary information indicates there will be approximately 500 to 600 vehicles involved. According to statistics released by the National Trucking Association, 5.1 million commercial trailers were registered in 2004 for business purposes here in the U.S.. Clearly, the 500 to 600 Mexican trucks compared to 5.1 million American trucks is a pretty miniscule number compared to our trucking industry as a whole.

 

[local 12 proud]

Are you seriously trying to compare cargo containers to Mexican Trucks??? That is laughable.

Really?.... What is it exactly do you suppose tractor trailers haul flower child?

First, under the agreement, only 100 Mexican Truck companies would be allowed to send trucks into the U.S.. I am not sure how many trucks that includes, but I can almost guarantee that it is much less than is included in the cargo containers arena. Second, the infrastructure isn't there to inspect the cargo containers, but it is there to inspect the trucks... they have been doing it for years on U.S. trucks as DellDude elequently pointed out. They will be treated the same as, and inspected the same as the U.S. trucks.

Uhhhhh...Your a tad bit behind the times!

“Only about 1 percent of Mexican trucks entering the United States are inspected by the United States at the border, but 36 percent of those that are inspected are turned back for serious safety violations,â€￾ Sen. Dorgan says. “Mexico does not have the same safety standards we have in the United States,â€￾ he said as he introduced the bill. “There are no minimum safety standards for trucks or equipment, no limit on the hours a driver can stay on the road, no drug testing. These trucks will put people on America’s highways at serious risk. The American people don’t want to drive down the highway and find they are alongside a severely overloaded truck with someone in the driver seat who may have been on the road for 20 hours or more.â€￾

So tell us 'Old Wise One', we gonna piss test every mexican driver that comes across our border?

Gonna install piss test labs at all check points?

We gonna inspect every driving log of every driver who crosses to make sure he's not in violation?

We gonna ispect every vehicle for safety violations that crosses?

Has'nt happened yet, what makes you think it will change?

Cargo aside the safety to the American driving public will be negatively enhanced just because of the aformentioned, but hey lets not let the facts disrupt free trade! :blink:

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Really?.... What is it exactly do you suppose tractor trailers haul flower child?

Yeah really. And who carries the vast majority of those trailers??? Hmm... would it be AMERICAN trucks??? Then what's the big deal... if there is a threat, it is a threat among ALL trucks, not mexican trucks alone!

Uhhhhh...Your a tad bit behind the times!

Not really, those stats came from the debate on the senate floor that occured LAST WEEK.

That was the point of the bill genius... to hold those mexican truckers to the same standards.

So tell us 'Old Wise One', we gonna piss test every mexican driver that comes across our border?

Do we piss test every american driver when he gets a new load? We would test the mexican trucks just like we test the american trucks, capice? If american trucks get fined, so will mexican. If american trucks get away with it, so will mexican. The problems you discuss are not with mexican trucks, but are failures of our transporation department... and those failures exist with american trucks now.

The trucks and truckers would be held to the same standard as american truck and truckers... if you do not like the standards, or the implementation of those standards, then your beef is not with the mexican trucks.

 

[Smitty]

Yeah really. And who carries the vast majority of those trailers??? Hmm... would it be AMERICAN trucks??? Then what's the big deal... if there is a threat, it is a threat among ALL trucks, not mexican trucks alone!
Not really, those stats came from the debate on the senate floor that occured LAST WEEK.

That was the point of the bill genius... to hold those mexican truckers to the same standards.
Do we piss test every american driver when he gets a new load? We would test the mexican trucks just like we test the american trucks, capice? If american trucks get fined, so will mexican. If american trucks get away with it, so will mexican. The problems you discuss are not with mexican trucks, but are failures of our transporation department... and those failures exist with american trucks now.

The trucks and truckers would be held to the same standard as american truck and truckers... if you do not like the standards, or the implementation of those standards, then your beef is not with the mexican trucks.

hey frog pad if there are problems with the current state of our transportation monitering, why should we add another 100000 mexican trucks on the road. pretty stupid eh?

 

[Gilding the Lily]

hey frog pad if there are problems with the current state of our transportation monitering, why should we add another 100000 mexican trucks on the road. pretty stupid eh?

Consider doing a little research -- or just read 4 posts above -- before you respond with baseless facts. The program and the repubs amendment to the bill would have allow approximately 500 to 600 mexican trucks into the U.S. beyond the border zone.